Let's get rid of tenure - What a jerk!!!

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  1. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

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  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

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  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    It's covered by academic freedom - until someone doesn't like it.
     
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  4. mintaru

    mintaru Active Member

    No, the missing last letter did screw it up. ;)
    It seems to me that the end of tenure isn't the ultimate goal here. The attack on tenure is just a tool to attack academic freedom itself.
     
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  5. AirDX

    AirDX New Member

    The GOP, despite cloaking themselves in the flag and the constitution, are engaged in a generalized assault on freedom and democracy. Nothing they do is a surprise anymore.
     
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  6. Michael Burgos

    Michael Burgos Active Member

    It amazes me how folks such as yourself will hijack a thread like this and use something that is demonstrably exceptional in order to demean a diverse political party. It's transparent and lame. Don't bother attempting to explain how a general commitment to limited government or the significant libertarian faction of the GOP fits in with your construal.
     
  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    What little libertarian faction of the Republican there is has been shouted down and drowned out by big government conservatives for over twenty years.
     
  8. Michael Burgos

    Michael Burgos Active Member

    How might one square that assertion with the GOP's turn to populism, return to economic deregulation, and the likelihood of a DeSantis nomination? Clearly, since the advent of the tea party movement, a reformation of sorts has occurred that has altogether jettisoned the Bush era big government approach.
     
  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That's easy: populism isn't libertarianism, and DeSantis isn't a libertarian. It's not a synonym for "anti-establishment conservative", you know.

    And while the Republicans did a little deregulation, they more than made up for it with trade wars and tax cuts without spending cuts.
     
  10. Michael Burgos

    Michael Burgos Active Member

    Libertarianism is not monolithic (notoriously) and it is palpably obvious that DeSantis has quite a libertarian streak and thus his popularity among libertarians. The new populism (as many have pointed out) is an admixture of libertarian economic and social policy and other influences. And forty-five did a lot more than "a little deregulation." Admittedly, he didn't do as much as he could've.
     
  11. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    There are worse Republicans than DeSantis, but not disagreeing with libertarians on every issue doesn't mean one has a libertarian streak, especially when one disagrees with us on on such core issues as immigration, militarization of police, marriage equality, ending the drug war, and torture.

    But sadly, your confusion is understandable given the legacy of fusionism. Too many libertarians over the past few decades believed that the left was a greater threat to individual liberty than the right, and were willing to ally on fiscal issues with conservatives to the point where that "anti-establishment conservative" belief I mentioned became a common misconception.
     
  12. AirDX

    AirDX New Member

    Libertarianism and the GOP are very far apart. The current GOP and its leadership are demonstrably homophobic, xenophobic, and misogynistic. The GOP has been purchased by big business to front for it against anything remotely progressive. You want lame and transparent, look at the efforts to subvert and suborn democracy. It's there for all to see.
     
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  13. Michael Burgos

    Michael Burgos Active Member

    Ahh, equating disagreement with confusion while not adequately addressing the substance of my comment. Yeah, I'll move on.
     
  14. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    In fairness, that's how I felt about your use of "palpably obvious" to refer to an opinion you knew I didn't share.
     
  15. Michael Burgos

    Michael Burgos Active Member

    Oh I see. Seeking to conserve values that were unquestioned for, well, the entirety of the American experiment is homophobia et al. Misnomer (phobic? No.) but I get the drift. It is one thing to parrot these talking points and another thing entirely to substantiate them. Last I checked, the left's subversion of the authorial intent of the constitution was an affront to actual democracy. Maybe do a little soul searching (and lots of reading) before you shill this nonsense.
     
  16. Michael Burgos

    Michael Burgos Active Member

    Point taken. Although, I thought you may have been being coy. DeSantis' libertarian economic policies are pretty well documented.
     
  17. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Who's the prototypical libertarian (small L or big) in your mind? Like all belief systems it's a big tent but I'm curious who your mind goes to when you think of someone who espouses generally libertarian beliefs.
     
  18. Courcelles

    Courcelles Active Member

    If the Vice Presidency position is to sit around and wait for the president to die and isn’t worth a bucket of warm you know what… how worthless is the Lieutenant Governor’s job? So important the US only has 43 of them. (Plus two more states where the title in included in the job description of the senate president.

    Though Texas’s LG might be the most powerful one in the country.
     
  19. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    In view of this incident, that's a cause for great dismay.
     
  20. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That's a reasonable question. The LP's most recent presidential ticket, Jo Jorgensen and Spike Cohen, were pretty good exemplars. (Spike to my pleasant surprise, actually.) But since the media assiduously refused to cover them, I realize none of you will know who they are. So in that spirit, Gary Johnson and Justin Amash aren't far off either. It's not an oversight that I'm not referring to anyone presently in Congress.

    Perhaps, but libertarianism doesn't just have fiscal positions, it also has social ones, ones that DeSantis doesn't share.

    Similarly, there are Democrats who are very good on civil liberties issues, but one wouldn't say they have a "libertarian streak" when their positions on fiscal issues federalize government and enlarge its scope.

    That's why I refer to the Nolan chart from time to time, so people can see how these three movements are different.
     
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