Why the Media Is Worse for Biden Than Trump

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  1. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Why the Media Is Worse for Biden Than Trump (nymag.com)

    It's kind of a meta-point applicable in pretty much every thread in Politics. Thought I should have a link ready for the next time a certain someone quips about how "mainstream media is an arm of the Democratic Party".

    P. S. One thing is true: media sucks. This pretty much includes mainstream media, including "highly reliable" sources; it's just that Faux-news and alt-news are infinitely worse.
     
  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The vast majority of the Republican base watches mediocre accuracy news like Fox News or worse. Therefore the vast majority of the Republican base believes lies like there was wide spread voter fraud in 2020 and that CRT is a left wing conspiracy and all the lies that their dear pathological liar leader tells them. Whereas the Democratic base watches much higher rated accuracy news like CBS, NBC and ABC. See https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
     
  3. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    An article I just read is another good example of what I think Stanislav is talking about.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/politics/steele-dossier-reckoning/index.html

    The article is very critical of the Steele dossier. It is in a left wing media source. What I hasten to point out is that the Steele dossier is associated with far more lying on the right though than the left though. The little reporting I saw on the Steele dossier was that it indicated Russia and Putin wanted to help Trump and hurt Clinton which proved true and that it was not really very trustworthy and so should be taken with a grain of salt. While on the right there was a big lie that it was a big deal on the left and was the cause of the Mueller report. Which are both lies. The article says,

    quote:
    In truth, the dossier played a remarkably limited role in the Russia investigation.
     
  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The idea of a left-wing or right-wing "bias" implies that the truth is situated right in the middle. But it isn't.

    There are assertions and assessments. Assertions are statements of fact. They can be shown to be true or false, and thus have no bias.

    Assessments are opinions and judgments drawn from those facts. These, of course, are highly subject to bias because they come from taking an assertion and putting it into one's own context, one's world view. This is why we can agree on the facts (assertions), yet come away with entirely different perspectives on the (assessments).

    Where we get tripped up in politics these days, however, is that one side of the debate insists on its own facts. It is swimming in false assertions. This is a relatively new phenomenon. Oh, not mere lying, of course. Politicians of all stripes have been doing that since...always. But now one side insists on its "alternative facts," which is far more problematic, given the gullibility of the nation as a whole.

    So, why is the media so much more tough on Biden? If we assume that the mainstream media is focused on the truth (and then drawing its assessments from that), then it will be centered squarely on the "left." (Because, again, the truth is NOT in the middle between the two sides.) As such, I believe, mainstream reporters and commentators (again, asserters and assessors) become much more disappointed much more quickly with the left, whom they think should do better. They dismiss conservatives on the Right, especially the Far Right, as hopeless and out-of-touch.

    In short, their expectations are much higher of the left than of the right. This is why 13 killed in the Afghanistan is an appalling failure, but millions of people sickened from the pandemic--and 3/4 of a million dead--are accepted as inevitable reality. (Grossly over-simplified, but you get the point.)
     
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  5. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    The media criticizes Biden when they disagree with what he says or does, that's not surprising. What's surprising is how infrequent that criticism is, relative to what an absolutely horrible person and absolutely horrible president Biden is.

    It should be blatantly obvious what is wrong with the assertion that left-wing information sources aren't biased because the left wing has the truth. I'm literally an ex-cult member and that's literally, exactly, what my former cult used to claim about itself. So, forgive me if my past traumatic experiences cause me to distrust anyone or anything that claims that they have The Truth and that only evil, stupid people would ever push back against it.

    If the media actually did their jobs and reliably gave us the whole story, then there wouldn't be a market for seeking out the rest of the information that they tried to hide. Yes, tried to hide, not made a million little unintentional oopsies that just so happened, by sheer stroke of luck, to always favor one point of view over others. I stopped trusting the media when I started looking up the primary sources for the information they are feeding us and finding out just how far apart what they tell us is from the actual truth.
     
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I think it depends on the subject that is being covered:

    Biden characterized Rittenhouse as a 'white supremacist'

    Today 11/19/2021
    Kyle Rittenhouse Found Not Guilty on All Charges

    Asked about the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict, President Joe Biden told reporters “I stand by what the jury has concluded. The jury system works.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    I had no time to follow the case and don't know details besides short mentiones last week or so in the news.


    I quote:

    This is a collection of media on CNN, MSNBC, and other left-wing outlets maligning, insulting, disparaging Kyle Rittenhouse, calling him a murderer, a white supremacist, a terrorizing school shooter.
    Read this now in the wake of Kyle Rittenhouse being found not guilty on all charges and tell me that all of these people shouldn’t be held accountable for their lies.
    We give credit to the jury, but my goodness. The media wrong again.

    KASPARIAN: “Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse — he murdered two people, by the way.”

    JOHNSON: “Rittenhouse is basically what you would have had in a school shooter. He’s a 17-year-old kid, he shouldn’t have had a gun, he crossed state lines to supposedly protect property? No, he was going out to shoot people.”

    O’DONNELL: “Kyle Rittenhouse, the 17-year-old vigilante…”

    WALLACE: “Kyle Rittenhouse, a vigilante…”

    REID: “Kyle Rittenhouse, the armed teenage vigilante…”

    HEILEMANN: “The 17-year-old vigilante, arguably a domestic terrorist, picked up a rifle, drove to a different state to shoot people.”

    UYGUR: “Kyle Rittenhouse, a guy who is deeply racist, went with weapons to a Black Lives Matter protest, looking to get in trouble — he did, he murdered a couple of people.”

    SCARBOROUGH: “Rittenhouse, the 17-year-old kid, just running around, shooting and killing protesters.”

    They shut down — they shut down his GoFundMe, they shut down his efforts to raise money for his defense.
    Big Media chased down people who donated to Kyle’s defense fund and treated them like they were, you know, sending money to Adolf Hitler.
    These people are a disgrace. The left has completely lost its mind, and this just shows you they were defaming a good kid who was defending himself, and they don’t feel any regret about it.
    That’s what we’re dealing with.
     
  7. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    The Rittenhouse case is a perfect example of why left-wing media can't be trusted. By and large, they decided to take sides in the case instead of reporting facts. If we ignore the editorials ('he's a vigilante!' 'he's a murderer!'), and just look at what was reported as news, there is a STARK difference between what the mountains of evidence (multiple videos, documents, witness statements, and the laws themselves as actually written) shows and what was presented as if it were incontrovertible fact. It's not even close. Not even kind of, sort of, close. They flat out lied. L-I-E-D. Lied.

    Again, primary sources. There's no scapegoating Trump, Q-Anon and InfoWars for this one. A lie is a lie no matter who says it and no matter who calls it out.
     
  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    You are just plain wrong. It does not have to do with the subject. You don't know what you're talking about. I stated that the most accurate news source that the vast majority of Republicans watch is mediocre accuracy Fox News. Fox News is rated the same mediocre accuracy as CNN and MSNBC which you subsequently quoted from. You would know this already if you read the posts that you respond to.
     
  9. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    CNN and MSNBC (and Fox News) are rated "Mostly Factual" accuracy by https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/left/cnn-bias/. Whereas CBS, ABC and NBC are all rated "High" accuracy. CBS, ABC, and NBC are usually included in the category of "left-wing" media. I challenge you to point out one report on one of those networks where they told a lie about the Kyle Rittenhouse case.

    edit: Just for fun let's throw in CNN printed news into that challenge, just to give you a bit better fighting chance. :)
     
  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I know what you stated but you are wrong.
    Republicans ARE watching left media networks more then you think.
    They are not buying what the left is selling.

    Many anarchist got surprised today:
    What do you mean we can’t just burn down everyone’s businesses and punch them in the face and break their jaw without consequence? Apparently not.
     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    High accuracy?

    KASPARIAN: “Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse — he murdered two people, by the way.”

    JOHNSON: “Rittenhouse is basically what you would have had in a school shooter. He’s a 17-year-old kid, he shouldn’t have had a gun, he crossed state lines to supposedly protect property? No, he was going out to shoot people.”

    O’DONNELL: “Kyle Rittenhouse, the 17-year-old vigilante…”

    WALLACE: “Kyle Rittenhouse, a vigilante…”

    REID: “Kyle Rittenhouse, the armed teenage vigilante…”

    HEILEMANN: “The 17-year-old vigilante, arguably a domestic terrorist, picked up a rifle, drove to a different state to shoot people.”

    UYGUR: “Kyle Rittenhouse, a guy who is deeply racist, went with weapons to a Black Lives Matter protest, looking to get in trouble — he did, he murdered a couple of people.”

    SCARBOROUGH: “Rittenhouse, the 17-year-old kid, just running around, shooting and killing protesters.”
     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Like I said, READ the post you are responding to before you respond! That was NOT CBS, NBC or ABC.

    I copied the earlier post because Lerner asked about it and so I copied it here again.
    Then Lerner asked.
    I made it clear in my post that it was not my analysis but was the analysis of MediaBiasFactCheck.com Note that you can see the original posts if you click on the up arrows.
     
  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I see murder is now legal in Wisconsin. Good to know.
     
  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Asked about the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict, President Joe Biden told reporters “I stand by what the jury has concluded. The jury system works.
     
  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Those are NOT quotes from a High Accuracy website. I stated High accuracy was CBS, NBC and ABC. High accuracy is the assessments of https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ not mine.

    It is a common courtesy to read posts that you are responding to before you respond.
     
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Point well taken.
    I lump al of them in to left media.
    I will check how CBS, NBC, and ABC reported on this trial.
    I do think that Democrat voters watch more MSNBC, CNN etc.
    Did the Judge on this trial banned NBC from the court, was there an attempt to take pictures of the Jury that can be seen as attempt of Jury intimidation?
    If the jurors believed that they were being followed, it could add to their unease about voting in the case.

    We regret the incident and will fully cooperate with the authorities on any investigation," NBC News said in a statement.
    Critics say - NBC is ambiguous in its statement. It goes out of its way to note that this person is a freelancer but not whether he was working freelance for NBC at the time.
     
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2021
  17. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Walk me through this: how is Rittenhouse NOT a 'vigilante'?

    I'm not arguing with a verdict; the situation is certainly murky enough and I didn't follow that closely. But it seems clear that a person of different race, trying to pull what he pulled, would not be arrested alive. Let alone got an acquittal. #BLM.
     
  18. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Again, how is he not an "armed teenage vigilante"? You have a stable household, Lerner: would any of your children be in a situation nearly close to what Kyle Rittenhouse got HIMSELF into? And he did cross a state line with a weapon he shouldn't have possessed. Facts.
    PS: I hate-watch TYT clips sometimes; both Ana Kasparian and Cenk Uygur are decidedly not in a mainstream media outlet. They constantly dump on mainstream media for a lot of the same reasons you do. They are on their own, left-biased, online platform, on the left of (but still revering) Bernie Sanders.
     
  19. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    What I mean is: yesterday on my Google News feed, top story from multiple sources is how CBO found the BBB bill not fully paid for. From ALL of the mainstream outlets. Which is understandable: it's a news-worthy story. Question though: how many of the Fox viewers even know that the Trump tax cut had CBO score several times worse than that, and the GOPota just brushed it off? Or how it produced almost zero in terms of getting economic activity back onshore or add to economic growth in a meaningful way?
    In addition: half of the big "liberal-biased" media used this to bolster the narrative how "Democrats are not able to pass Biden's agenda". Almost everyone joined Fox in calling proposed SALT repeal a "tax cut for the rich". Again, none of this is exactly wrong, but the net effect is almost 100% of the media is dumping on Biden at times, when Trump could always rely at least on his flank. And virtually no one has substantial analysis on actual issues.
     
  20. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Biden proposed and passed an infrastructure bill in his 1st year; Trump failed to do the same in four. Fact.
    Here's one aspect close to me: immigration. Biden arguably failed to do anything substantial there. However, here's the perspective: Trump's immigration policy was run by Steven Miller, and that guy is a literal anti-immigrant bigot who comes from white supremacist circles. This snake doesn't work there anymore: a win. It's like this on almost everything.

    No, it shouldn't be blatantly obvious. It's a context-dependent statement. Do they have the truth? One side says 2020 election was stolen, one doesn't: who's right? It's not a shades of grey situation.
    Left-leaning sources are biased. Right-leaning sources are wholly unconcerned with reality. It's not a subtle difference.

    Really? How can literally an ex-cult member say this with the straight face?
     

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