Republican Glenn Youngkin defeats Democrat Terry McAuliffe in Virginia governor's elections

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  1. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Dude, I've taken more crap than just about anyone on this board besides Lerner. You can't even come close. And frankly, I'm sick of you. Later.
     
  2. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Just piling out memetic fallacies here: during WWII, one could reasonably say "neither side had monopoly on" violence, or propaganda, or even overt racism. Heck, Soviets part of the Allied side was not adverse to, you know, direct mass genocide (I'm no deep scholar of history, but I know this much). So a person who would say such a thing would not be wrong, just massively unhelpful, and more than a bit smug. Sometimes you gotta pick a side.
     
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I've said more than once, including in this thread, that if one is going to choose a side, it should be the Democrats. But if that's supposed to mean that side should be shielded from criticism, that's a terrible idea. Democrats just lost a whole stateload of elections they should have won. They should want to know why, and how to avoid unforced errors in the upcoming midterms. Taking it personally when someone doesn't agree that everything about their party is great isn't going to accomplish that.
     
  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    This is too strong and isn't warranted here. Sorry.

    But this is.
     
  5. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Yeaaah... didn't feel like that's what you did. More like a reflective defense of the GOP, using a weaksauce "well, Dems do something vaguely similar, therefore both sides bad" sort-of argument. If you really meant to say Dems are not perfect, I'd say it's correct - also, that's a trivial observation barely worth making. It really came off like a smug brag from someone feeling all superior because they are on neither side and instead subscribes to a marginal (for a reason, IMHO) position.

    Back on topic, here's a take I think makes sense:


    Short version, Youngkin is a test drive of a potential GOP strategy to remain fascist-ish in a way that won't scare off "swing voters". That's troubling.
     
  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    My very first post in this thread criticized Democrats for their performance in Virginia.

    But let's not get too carried away. They didn't lose in New Jersey, and they ALWAYS do under those circumstances. (Incumbent Democrat running for re-election after a Democrat won the White House.) Also, the lessons from Virginia are kind of obvious. Finally, they have to take on the CRT lies head on and not expect voters to realize it's all nonsense.
     
  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Did I attack you personally?
     
  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I think that is a fair interpretation. But I hasten to add that Steve by nature is a "fence sitter". Therefore keeping that in mind my interpretation for Steve's post was more of a hard condemnation of the GOP. At least the hardest condemnation that I can recall.
     
  9. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    I really tried to keep the response to your messages rather than person. Do you have something to retort on substance?
     
  10. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    You're right. This is actually consistent with his posts historically; as much as I think Libertarians are out of touch, what they're not is Fascist. Given the tendency of his crowd to support Reps as the "lesser evil", it's actually big of him to be as clear as he's being.

    Having said that, on a substantive issue, the position "everyone's wrong except me" is still annoying. Even though it's not exactly uncommon. A couple of idioms come to my mind, but they're both in Russian :(.
     
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  11. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    That.
     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Political "fence sitters" are okay in my book. I have a couple of very good friends that are fence sitters. It's like a lifetime philosophy. There are many advantages. For example, a good way to get me to shut up and not talk about politics. It is about as close to being able to have-your-cake-and-eat-too as you're going to be able to get. :cool::p:D
     
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  13. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Baloney. "Smug brag from someone feeling all superior because they are on neither side and instead subscribes to a marginal (for a reason, IMHO) position" is a personal attack, and you know it.

    Look, this is a forum called "Political Discussions", so it shouldn't be surprising that we do, in fact, have political discussions here, and when human being have those, things get heated. No, I don't water down my opinions, and frankly neither do you. But I can live with that, especially since I do occasionally learn something from you guys.

    Speaking of...

    ...agreeing with you isn't a very exciting "retort", but the guy in the video you shared nailed it. I watched the whole thing, and I didn't hear a single thing I didn't agree with. And I'd bet cash money that the Republicans (at least in swing districts) craft their messaging just like he predicts.

    (And in case it doesn't go without saying, yes, that's a bad thing. The last thing we need are more Boeberts and MTGs and Gaetzes in the House.)
     
  14. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    It's not political position. It's a look when there are two sides to a conflict, and a third party comes and positions him/her/themself in the middle and above the sides. As I said, "everyone's wrong, only I'm right". I don't know how to express it; there's a very non-PC Russian shorthand "все пидарасы, я один - Д'Артаньян", but only Lerner can read that. And I do not know the English equivalent.

    BTW, this is precisely what I dislike about Bernie, while agreeing with up to 90% of his policy positions. (well to be honest, that, and the aftermath of his nasty brawl with my girl HRC). His acolytes are even worse.

    Yeah, Beau is great. Interestingly, he's generally to the left of me (except on guns - he's not in the gun crowd but "pro-First Amendment"). Yet he doesn't come off nearly as smug as some "progressives", like the TYT hosts. More informative, too.
     
    Last edited: Nov 11, 2021

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