Critical Race Theory - Much Ado About Nothing?

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Charles Fout, Aug 27, 2021.

Loading...
  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member


    Your tactic of attacking people who don't buy in to your left liberal Marxist propaganda is obvious.
    Tolerance of the people who don't share same views as yours is not something that in the Marxist agenda.
    I don't see my self as white nationalist, it was just another insult you use as part of your absence of tolerance.
    I come here to express another side not to insult anybody or to be insulted.
    Are you capable to have and argument without reserving to insults?
     
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2021
    SpoonyNix likes this.
  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Because the problems associated whit it got worse, as simple as that.
    Conservatives dropped the ball by not confronting this earlier, before the damage its doing now.
    Cases been reported in many states and yes it is politicized.
    What is not in our day and time?
     
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2021
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Last edited: Sep 26, 2021
  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    You don't get the point that Rich, Stanislav, and I are making. It is proven to be a made up Bogeyman no matter where it is coming from.

    quote:
    Fox News has mentioned “critical race theory” 1,300 times in less than four months. Why? Because critical race theory (CRT) has become a new boogie man for people unwilling to acknowledge our country’s racist history and how it impacts the present.

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/07/02/why-are-states-banning-critical-race-theory

    The rest of the above article since you are so uninterested in the truth you can't seem to clink on a link.

    quote:
    To understand why CRT has become such a flash point in the culture, it is important to understand what it is and what it is not. Opponents fear that CRT admonishes all white people for being oppressors while classifying all Black people as hopelessly oppressed victims. These fears have spurred school boards and state legislatures from Tennessee to Idaho to ban teachings about racism in classrooms. However, there is a fundamental problem: these narratives about CRT are gross exaggerations of the theoretical framework. The broad brush that is being applied to CRT is puzzling to academics, including some of the scholars who coined and advanced the framework.

    CRT does not attribute racism to white people as individuals or even to entire groups of people. Simply put, critical race theory states that U.S. social institutions (e.g., the criminal justice system, education system, labor market, housing market, and healthcare system) are laced with racism embedded in laws, regulations, rules, and procedures that lead to differential outcomes by race. Sociologists and other scholars have long noted that racism can exist without racists. However, many Americans are not able to separate their individual identity as an American from the social institutions that govern us—these people perceive themselves as the system. Consequently, they interpret calling social institutions racist as calling them racist personally. It speaks to how normative racial ideology is to American identity that some people just cannot separate the two. There are also people who may recognize America’s racist past but have bought into the false narrative that the U.S. is now an equitable democracy. They are simply unwilling to remove the blind spot obscuring the fact that America is still not great for everyone.



    Scholars and activists who discuss CRT are not arguing that white people living now are to blame for what people did in the past. They are saying that white people living now have a moral responsibility to do something about how racism still impacts all of our lives today. Policies attempting to suffocate this much-needed national conversation are an obstacle to the pursuit of an equitable democracy. Supporters of CRT bans often quote Martin Luther King Jr’s proclamation that individuals should be viewed by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin, ignoring the context of the quote and the true meaning behind it.

    To better understand how widespread these efforts are to ban critical race theory from U.S. classrooms, we did an assessment of anti-CRT state legislation. Here’s what we found:

    • Eight states (Idaho, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Iowa, New Hampshire, Arizona, and South Carolina) have passed legislation.
    • None of the state bills that have passed even actually mention the words “critical race theory” explicitly, with the exception of Idaho.
    • The legislations mostly ban the discussion, training, and/or orientation that the U.S. is inherently racist as well as any discussions about conscious and unconscious bias, privilege, discrimination, and oppression. These parameters also extend beyond race to include gender lectures and discussions.
    • State actors in Montana and South Dakota have denounced teaching concepts associated with CRT. The state school boards in Florida, Georgia, Utah, and Oklahoma introduced new guidelines barring CRT-related discussions. Local school boards in Georgia, North Carolina, Kentucky, and Virginia also criticized CRT.
    • Nearly 20 additional states have introduced or plan to introduce similar legislation.
    You can find a summary of this legislation in the appendix to this post.

    The approach of some Republican-led state legislatures is a method for continuing to roll back racial progress regarding everything from voting rights to police reform. This is a horrible idea and does an injustice to our kids. Laws forbidding any teacher or lesson from mentioning race/racism, and even gender/sexism, would put a chilling effect on what educators are willing to discuss in the classroom and provide cover for those who are not comfortable hearing or telling the truth about the history and state of race relations in the United States. Ironically, “making laws outlawing critical race theory confirms the point that racism is embedded in the law,” as sociologist Victor Ray noted.

    Some parents are worried about their kids learning things in school that they do not have the capacity to address. As a college professor who does teach CRT as one of the many theoretical frameworks that I bring into the classroom, students are alarmed by how little they have learned about inequality. They are upset at their schools, teachers, and even their parents. So, this is the conundrum: teachers in K-12 schools are not actually teaching CRT. But teachers are trying to respond to students asking them why people are protesting and why Black people are more likely to be killed by the police.

    Ultimately, we cannot employ colorblind ideology in a society that is far from colorblind. Everyone sees it, whether they acknowledge it consciously or not. As I wrote in a previous Brookings article on whether the U.S. is a racist country, systemic racism can explain racial disparities in police killings, COVID-19, and the devaluing of homes in Black neighborhoods. If we love America, we should want it to be the best it can be. Rather than run from the issue of racism in America, we should confront it head on. Our kids and country will be better for it.
     
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Lerner, Read the whole article. It debunks the CRT related nonsense that you stated in your other responses. You are just flat out wrong and repeating silly lies over and over and over again.
     
  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The articles apparently have nothing to do with CRT. I say apparently only because I can't read the Newsweek article. It wants me to subscribe to Newsweek before it will let me read it.
     
  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Your argument is completely illogical.
     
  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Your personal attacks are hypocritical in this post. Stanislav is not a Marxist. I can't believe you don't know that.
     
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Again, almost none of this thread--on an education-oriented discussion board--is focused on the theory itself. It's just another political argument where Republicans toss up a bogeyman to scare their ignorant base. Keeping that base scared is the key to their electoral success.

    Republicans engage is a great deal of name calling, but never seem to get around to explaining WHY those labels are appropriate. Democrats are communists? How so? Trump is a fascist? Now THAT one gets proven almost every single day.
     
  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    This brings up something I was thinking about. My first purely emotional thought was that conservatives in general are ignorant because they lack
    intelligence. While emotionally satisfying, I had to immediately reject that argument because I try not to make decisions based on emotions. :) Anyway, it is absolutely true that the Republican base is ignorant. I believe they are ignorant because Fox News is only Mixed accuracy (according to the MediaBiasFactCheck.com rating). The Republican base gets most of their news from Fox News or even less accurate media sources. The Democratic base on the other hand gets a much higher share of their news from much more accurate media sources like NBC, CBS and ABC. Which are rated High accuracy.
     
  11. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Do you have a measurement for this?

    What problems? How are they worse? How did CRT make them worse?

    You can toss out these kinds of unsupported statements all you want, but there is no reason to accept them as anything but hyperbole.
     
  12. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I provided examples in the earlier posts.
    At this point may the readers make their own conclusions.
     
    SpoonyNix likes this.
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Republican base is far from being ignorant. They are simply playing softball while Dems are playing hardball.
    Maybe there will be time when they will take a strong stand.
    But right now I don't think its the time.
    I prefer president Biden over other choices at Dems. Especially the far left.
     
  14. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    My conclusions haven't changed since what I said on Page 2. ;)
     
    Rich Douglas likes this.
  15. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    And that is fine.
    Much better then attacking the person with different opinion.
     
    SpoonyNix likes this.
  16. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The ignorance of the Republican base is plan. You have not proven one word true of your ridiculous claims about the horrors of CRT, not one.

    On the other hand I have provided a Very High Accuracy source that explains it all clearly and plainly. proving that these CRT concerns spread by the right biased media is a false bogeyman. Since the Republican's base largely believes it that means they are ignorant by definition. Another example is that 78% of the Republican base believes that Biden didn't win the 2020 election, by definition that is ignorance.
     
  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Thanks God the "horrors" of applied "CRT" may never be experienced because its being exposed and opposed.
    The new Intolerance, and Its grip on America is everywhere even here in our group.
    The negative affects well known and been presented here.
    People express real concern and taking action just like the parents in the article I posted a few days back.
    CLT begat CRT. “Critical race theory builds on the insights of two previous movements, critical legal studies and radical feminism,”
    And the use of Marxist analysis of society made up of categories of oppressors and oppressed.



     
    Last edited: Sep 27, 2021
  18. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Your baseless assertions have already been refuted in this thread.

    quote:
    To understand why CRT has become such a flash point in the culture, it is important to understand what it is and what it is not. Opponents fear that CRT admonishes all white people for being oppressors while classifying all Black people as hopelessly oppressed victims. These fears have spurred school boards and state legislatures from Tennessee to Idaho to ban teachings about racism in classrooms. However, there is a fundamental problem: these narratives about CRT are gross exaggerations of the theoretical framework. The broad brush that is being applied to CRT is puzzling to academics, including some of the scholars who coined and advanced the framework.

    CRT does not attribute racism to white people as individuals or even to entire groups of people. Simply put, critical race theory states that U.S. social institutions (e.g., the criminal justice system, education system, labor market, housing market, and healthcare system) are laced with racism embedded in laws, regulations, rules, and procedures that lead to differential outcomes by race. Sociologists and other scholars have long noted that racism can exist without racists. However, many Americans are not able to separate their individual identity as an American from the social institutions that govern us—these people perceive themselves as the system. Consequently, they interpret calling social institutions racist as calling them racist personally. It speaks to how normative racial ideology is to American identity that some people just cannot separate the two. There are also people who may recognize America’s racist past but have bought into the false narrative that the U.S. is now an equitable democracy. They are simply unwilling to remove the blind spot obscuring the fact that America is still not great for everyone.

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/07/02/why-are-states-banning-critical-race-theory

    This is a Very High Accuracy media source. This is versus an unknown person using the handle Lerner on the Internet holding zero weight. Very High accuracy versus zero weight makes it clear.
     
  19. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    P.S. I note that you do not even attempt to address the other issue we were discussing, the fact that the Republican base is ignorant because 78% believe that Biden was not really elected President.

    P.P.S. The Republican base is also ignorant about CRT for the same reason. Since the cause is the same for both of these ignorant groups of Republicans, the main difference between the two ignorant groups is that you are a member of only one of these groups. Being a member of only one is a major victory for you, congratulations!
     
  20. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I'm done discussing fake social issues being blamed on CRT. If someone would like to discuss the theory itself, perhaps that would be interesting.
     

Share This Page