Critical Race Theory - Much Ado About Nothing?

Im positive that there are ways to teach history to children in proper way.
The way its done today is conditioning and feeding hate.
I can teach about Holocaust and nazis the way that modern Germans are not going to be hated.

 

So in your assessment, it is a real problem that teachers in Tennessee teach Civil Rights era in a way that whites are going to be hated? Really?

 

Whats important is what the parents of the kids are saying. And its not only in Tennessee.
The teachers are following what they are told to teach, yes they can deviate somewhat but in general they don't have a lot of room or flexibility in public schools.
What are they waiting for the kids to be hurt or worse?
Every country had history, some is not that good and when teaching it to the kids one needs to be aware of the possible outcomes.

My relatives in Tel Aviv have their kids learning in a mixed classes public school with Israelis who are Arabs, and Armenians, Jews etc.
History covers all the wars, the Palestinian problems, Arab Israeli conflict and other complicated
topics.
They are mindful of hate and tension the wrong teaching methods can have.
How are they handling it in Ukraine when you have mixed classes of Russians and Ukrainians.

 

It's Tennessee. About the least likely of all places for liberal overreach.
One important point: it should not be important what "the parents" are saying; what IS important if what they are saying is ACCURATE. People can have an agenda or, more likely, and especially in Fox News era - be misinformed. How knowledgeable the general public is in whatever is your professional field?

I don't see it that way. Most of the schools' curriculum go from Slavery to Civil War to Emancipation Proclamation to MLK to Obama. Big topics like Tulsa Race Massacre, redlining, or or Tuskegee Experiment are totally missing, not to mention basically all context for current hot topics. Like police brutality. It is possible we need more "CRT" in schools, not less.

The worst possible outcome in democracy is misinformed public. What you are describing is "patriotic" indoctrination, not teaching.

They probably not handling it well, as they don't handle much of anything to any degree of success. However, somehow, Ukrainians are much more friendly towards Russians than other way around, despite Russia being the aggressor state, like, right now. So maybe teaching approach that avoids uncomfortable events (like Russia does) is not that desirable.

 

I disagree, feeding hate only increases sorrow and brings to violence. Its counter productive.
Are you suggesting expulsion of all Russians from Ukraine if not and the plan is to live in harmony with Ukrainians of Russian descend then media is already creating sufficient
divisiveness.
At schools I would plant the seeds of mutual respect and coexistence.

 

You actually gone there.

Fine. Here is a bit of context, for our other member's sake. This is Volodymyr Rybak:


Volodymyr Rybak was a council member of industrial town Horlivka, in Donetsk Region, East Ukraine. In April 2014 Russia-backed insurgents raised a flag of terrorist "Donetsk People's Republic" on Horlivka city hall. Rybak went on the roof to replace it with the national blue-and-yellow. His disemboweled body was found in the river few days later.

Let it be absolutely clear: the notion of Ukrainian schools teaching "expulsion of all Russians from Ukraine" is part of poisonous propaganda that helped creating Donbass terrorist quazistates, tortured and murdered people like Volodymyr Rybak, led to countless deaths on both sides, and much bigger numbers of displaced persons. BTW, Horlivka, like all urbanized areas of Donetsk and Luhansk region, is pretty much 100% Russian- and Surzhyk- (Russo-Ukrainian creole) speaking. Rybak spoke Russian at least most of the time; he would have to in order to function in local government there. Yet he was murdered for raising a national flag.
I believe that literate adults are not innocent when they use their free speech to spread stuff that provides material aid to terrorist. And, yes, by "just asking questions" on bullshit concepts like expulsion of all Russians, Lerner is providing aid to terrorists dividing his own country. Why would helping spread concern troll content about children exposed to "CRT" in Tennessee be any different?

Tidbit: in 2014, when President Yanukovych fled the country, position of acting President fell to deputy Speaker Oleksandr Turchynov. He is the one who had to take steps to resist Russian aggression, and is universally hated by the vatnikdom for that. Oleksandr Turchynov is an ethnic Russian. Well, maybe he's not a real Russian in the eyes of the pogromist professional Russian circles, as he's a Potestant and not Orthodox. Lerner, maybe ask your relatives in Tel Aviv whether this is a good criteria for "real Russian".

For the kicks: pro-Russian movement holds to the regional "Novorossiia" identity (I believe this is even codified as a "confederation" of the two terrorist entities, Donetsk and Lugansk "People's Republics"). This is the "national flag" of Novorossiia:


Looks familiar?

 

On the topic of education:

https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/petition-calling-for-the-return-of-slavery-spreads-through-a-missouri-high-school/
Here is a YouTube comment from someone whose analysis I usually like:


I'd say your problem identification is misplaced and comes from the place of what I'd call motivated ignorance, my man.

 

What you provided is interesting to know but my reply was not exactly what you thought.
But I do see your point.

 

Your reply was what you wrote. I have no idea what you meant to write, but what's actually on screen is dangerous BS.

 

I note very little actual discussion of CRT in this thread.

 

I do note that Lerner actually appeared to discuss CRT in one post. He wanted to prove that he really understood what it was. So he accurately described it before contradicting himself. It was so surprising that I did a Google search and discovered that he had just plagiarized the description of CRT.

 

The issue is how CRT is applied and misused.

 

You understood it this way but its not what I communicated.
Again you are looking at academics
Im looking at mistreatment and the politicization of it.
Maybe this is not the best analogy but its like the theory of evolution.
It's been used for multiple purposes and misused by some at the same time etc.

 

This thread is asking whether it is a real thing or not. The right is making up stuff. You've made it clear that despite overwhelming evidence you believe the lies about what the left is doing. You refuse to prove or even try to prove any of the right lies about the left true. Take the line out of your first post which does a fair job I think summarizing the lies coming from the right about what the left is doing.

The left is not trying to do this. This is just lies coming from a mediocre accuracy Fox News and worse. Prove that the silly things you are accusing the left of doing is really coming from the left. You can't because it is lies. You can't because I already produced High accuracy articles proving that it is not CRT that you are talking about.

Therefore, the opening post is correct, this CRT controversy is just the right freaking out about another bogeyman.

 

Yeah, like I needed that explanation.

It isn't applied and it isn't misused. It's obscure and little else.

 

Lerner, I posted this early in the thread. It proves what I just claimed is absolutely true. You are spreading stupid lies fed to you by Fox News.


quote:
Fox News has mentioned “critical race theory” 1,300 times in less than four months. Why? Because critical race theory (CRT) has become a new boogie man for people unwilling to acknowledge our country’s racist history and how it impacts the present.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/07/02/why-are-states-banning-critical-race-theory

I note that the Brookings Institute is one of the very few Very High accuracy sources out there.

Please stop repeating stupid lies. It really makes you look foolish.

 

Seeing that CRT has been around for decades and Republicans are just now picking up on it, it begs the question: how stupid are they? If CRT is all they say it is, why didn't they notice until now?

 

The biggest mistreatment and politicization is how the right scare-mongers around issues of race, using CRT as a scary-sounding acronym no one really understands. They do not even hide it.

You are participating in it. You, the guy with alias Lerner, mistreat and politicize "CRT", to the detriment of this country. You are simultaneously a victim of bad faith (and increasingly openly white nationalist) propaganda and a recruited foot soldier in it. Stop. Read a book.

 

I posted a link to the Brookings Institute article on page 2 of this thread that makes it clear that this CRT nonsense coming from Fox News is made up nonsense. Yet Lerner continues to peddle the stupid Fox News lies about it. He really has no reasonable excuse since then. He needs to read that Brookings Institute article and then read a book. He probably won't though. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

 

You don't get the point I'm trying to make the difference between what is done vs academics definitions of CRT.
Not all of it is coming from FOX news, but actual real live cases that were mentioned in this tread as well.
The comment about Fox news is ridiculous, even if Fox news is right 50% its sufficient.
Democrats are not saints, and your defense of this is simply a political apologetic.
Conservatives don't buy it and fighting it.