Critical Race Theory - Much Ado About Nothing?

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Charles Fout, Aug 27, 2021.

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    This is not about me, but indeed Conservatives and the GOP are seeing the divisive CRT and fighting it.
    I understand that only Democrats understand what real CRT is ;-).
     
  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Without getting personal it can be stated that you not understanding what something is, absolutely is about you. That is just simple logic.
     
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    This was an interesting article but I don't see the relevance to this thread despite your irrelevant assertion that Peter Boghossian must be familiar with CRT.

    There was no claim, assertion or implication that CRT was the cause perhaps a contributor?
    I don't see what that has to do with this thread. My perspective is not that we were discussing whether CRT was bad or good so much as to what it was and mostly false assertions as to what it was when Lerner was speaking about it.
     
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  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    So, just so we're clear, you really can't see any relationship between an academic culture that's informed by CRT and an emphasis on DEI that squelches those who ask the wrong questions?
     
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  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I have not been on the college scene for 46 years so I don't know from that respective. I would be extremely surprised though if somehow CRT has infected the college culture on its own to any great degree. Of course, it might impact some specific individuals that have taken the class. That is the case with any college course though. I did see a TV article yesterday about the college culture being greatly impacted by students' fear of speaking out in class and giving opinions freely due primarily to fear of social media singling them out for ridicule if they said something stupid. Not sure if that is relevant or not though. One caveat here in my response, I don't know what DEI means. So not sure if my answer would be the same based on that.
     
  7. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    I do not know the full context and what the deal with this Boghossian actually is. He might make good points, even though his concerns are weirdly similar to a number of right wing "free-thinking" trolls out there. Certainly his sting of Theory journals was at least clever. However, you have already pegged me as a dishonest member of the left-wing academia, on this very thread. So what do I know? I'll just note that even the author does not tie his grievances with "grievance studies" (ironic, I know) on Critical Race Theory, so, I dunno, relevance?
     
  8. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    It's a loaded sentence. First part is a blatant hypocrisy of "division" complaint made by someone who voted for Trump. This serves the purpose of stirring the indignation from the "libs" so the speaker can play victim and declare them "owned". I don't think you use this on purpose, but the right-wing propagandist you are plagiarizing this from certainly does.
    Second is more insidious. See, you are complaining of others using a theory to influence how people vote. In addition to, you know, you doing the same thing right now, this is definition of political speech. GOP is now a party that is pro-violence (Jan'6th), anti-health, anti-voting rights, and anti-free speech. In other words, un-American. It is highly ironic (but not humorous) how they (in this case, you) blame others for "hating America" while waving Confederate traitor flags and working to undermine everything that makes America, America. This shows why even a Cheney spoke out against today's GOP. "I might be a profiteering war criminal, but dangit, I'm an AMERICAN profiteering war criminal!".

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  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Or, to examine it from another point of view (shared by millions), it's very American.

    Could it be that the Republican Party is no longer a political party? That it is, instead, a huge grift? So much money being donated by people who just want to be pandered to. Much of that money being diverted to personal use. No positive efforts to move the country forward or address its ills.

    Big Lie. Big Donations. Big Grift. Repeat. It just might not be any more complicated than that.
     
  10. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Being hypocritical bigots is a universal human failing. Trying to build a country built on proposition all men are created equal (etc.) is slightly less universal.

    That's obviously true. Could it be that this is a more specific type of an affinity grift, namely a cult? A fascistic cult? Unfortunately for the rest of us, these tend to have nasty side effects to their main function (of enriching and elevating the grifters).
     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    REUTERS
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/critical-race-theory-roils-tennessee-160808609.html

    "Robin Steenman, an Air Force veteran and white mother of three, is fed up with the way public schools in her community of Franklin, Tennessee are teaching kids about race.

    She believes that the reading materials and teachers' manuals are biased, specifically the lessons taught to second graders about civil rights leaders like Martin Luther King Jr. Kids leave class believing that white people are oppressors and minorities are victims, Steenman claims.

    While her only school-age child attends private school, Steenman nevertheless wants the public system, Williamson County Schools, to change its approach. She and a group of local women calling themselves “Moms for Liberty” recently asked the Tennessee Department of Education in a complaint letter to force the district to scrap that material and overhaul its curriculum."
     
  12. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Yeah. Franklin, Tennessee. "Moms of Liberty".


    First of all, this is an epitome of "Astroturf". Also, these are exactly like the moms of "persecuted" Russophone children in Eastern and Southern Ukraine that were used (by enemies) as pretext for the hybrid war in what is our shared birth country, Lerner. Tens of thousands killed. Millions displaced. Why. Do. We. Have. To. Have. ANY. Patience. For this nonsense? She harms this country. YOU harm this country. Because of ghosts in your head. Please stop.
     
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  13. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    On this I don't agree. That suggests there's not significant genuine support for this on the ground, and that's not true. It looks like this organization was founded by a group of women in the Space Coast area of Central Florida, and having lived there for a time myself (apparently in the same small town as one of them) I find it very believable that their beliefs on this are sincerely held.
     
  14. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Russophone vata beliefs are also very real, and very numerous. Especially in Crimea. Yet the unidentified men in camuflage with new AKMs back in 2014 turned out not to be a "local self-defense" with "uniforms from any surplus store" as Putin initially told; they were Russian Black Sea Fleet personnel - as Putin told later. How sure are you that this Robin Steedman is not a political operative?
     
  15. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    This guy sees Putin around every corner.
    I left one tread because of these paranoic allegations.
    Stan sees Putin everywhere
    Saint Democrats who are without a blemish dont use propaganda and never lie, the pope soon will award you the sainthood.

    I left the other tread were this Russian propaganda ridiculous accusations been pointed at me.
    I realized Im not a professional who can help the saint dem apologists.
    But it was clear when footage proved them wrong triggered personal attacks.

    This article I posted if Stan bothered to read it he would see that it is balanced and it represents both sides and its by Reuters
    that is highly factual.

    The women in the article still live in democratic country and have the right to express her views and engage in activism to fight what they see as wrong method of education.
     
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  16. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    What does that even mean? By definition interest groups have a political agenda. That doesn't make them "Astroturf". I mean, are you suggesting that millions of Americans don't genuinely hold these beliefs? You live in Texas, for goodness sake, you have to know that's not true.
     
  17. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    The difference is whether the organization takes a local concern and tries to address it, potentially lifting it to national conversation, or taking national agenda and shoehorns local situation into it. I don't believe "CRT" teaching is major concern in Tennessee.
    Also, if by "those views" you mean "conservative" - oh yeah, I know these people. In my little corner, that's vast majority.
     
  18. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Not my fault that KGB active measures textbook came to be so handy. I am amazed how much things can be explained through these lens.

    This is prime example: getting responsibility off your side by saying the opposition does it too. Small-scare, this is a whataboutism debating technique. As a life philosophy, this is called the "reverse cargo cult": belief that there are no "real" planes and the colonizers build theirs from sticks and leaves, too, but conceal it better. Typical Russian approach to democracy: it doesn't exist; we just need to learn to lie about it better. With the Big Lie, now GOP has the same worldview.

    Yeah, it's factual. Women have the right to express their view, and even propagate manufactured views. And I can share my view that they are hurting the nation by doing so. And so do you.
     
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Concerned parents have right in a democratic society to express their concern and act within the law to adjust the issues that they believe hurting their children.

    US Democracy is a major problem for all the dictatorships and they are doing all they can to end it.

    And I have the view that they are saving the nation from bad ideologies that hurting the US. Something that Soviets planted here generations past.
     
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  20. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Sure. They even have the right to be wrong, and in most instances, allowed to lie or fear-monger. That's 1st Amendment. Pointing such cases out is also covered by 1st Amendment.

    Like spreading lies about democratic elections, promoting laws that erode people's franchise, terrorizing election officials, spreading medical conspiracy theories so US citizens fall ill and die? Yeppers, they do all that. Guess which side you're on.

    So the safe ideology is teaching that blacks in MLK times were not oppressed, or if they did they were oppressed by no one? Right.
     

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