Trump is the Perfect Sore Loser

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  1. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Refresh my memory, were they the ones carrying Confederate flags with them when they stormed the Capitol building?
     
  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Same ones that took over Portland, Seattle, and other locations. All violence is wrong.
    For all mob riots the best way for the nation to understand what took place Jan. 6, and other attacks mentioned above is to present evidence in court that shows what happened.
    America has yet to decide whether Jan. 6 was a protest that went off the rails or a calculated plan to launch a coup or for some the first and for another group the second, and small saboteur group that
    helped to incite things yes, the ones that don't exist they an idea..
    The evidence is significantly more complicated than prosecutors of whom some micromanaging the process thought it was going to be.
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Yes, and getting stung by a bee or gored by a buffalo are both bad. But they're not the same thing. Comparing BLM protests to what that mob did on January 6th is disingenuous.
     
  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Looting and burning buildings is bad but trying to take control of our capitol and hang our vice President and kill our speaker of the house in order to stop the peaceful transfer of power and keep Donald Trump in power is a whole different level of bad. I guess you're saying that the goal of murder and insurrection are at the same level as stealing and arson? The law disagrees with you. Thank goodness.
     
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  5. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Wow! So trowing rocks at officers and engendering their lives is not as bad? I didn't see any lawmaker hurt on Jan 6th. Unfortunately policeman were hurt and one passed away.
    In Oregon protesters have thrown rocks, and fireworks at federal officers.
    Several fires have been set near the courthouse, which federal officials have said could spread to the building and harm the agents inside.
    The U.S. attorney’s office in Oregon said that 28 federal law enforcement officers had been injured during protests in Portland.
    “The most serious injury to an officer occurred when a protester wielding a two-pound sledgehammer struck an officer in the head and shoulder when the officer tried to prevent the protester from breaking down a door to the Hatfield Courthouse,”

    "The Department of Homeland Security said in daily briefings about the protests that agents had been burned by fireworks and a “caustic substance” that were thrown over a fence surrounding the courthouse."
    The Seattle Police Department released video that showed explosions erupting near officers.
    The police said 59 officers had been injured, including one who was hospitalized. Many of the injured officers were able to return to duty.

    The severity of the riots in Portland and Seattle that you appear undermine is a serious violent attack.
    I agree that Jan 6th some groups from the protesters caused casualties and was very dangerous on a high level.
     
  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Interesting, your information bias is off the charts, Lerner. Reread the first Six words of my post.

    Just for extra fun I'll finish with - While you keep comparing protestors in Oregon to the January 6 insurrection I will keep pointing out that on January 6 the injuries and the crimes commented, the number of people arrested, the years to be spent in prison for crimes, plus that fact that leaders of our country were involved makes the insurrection of the January 6 far worse. A hundred years from now January 6 will be in the history books while the Oregon protests will not even get a mention in the footnotes. Sorry, but that will always be true no matter how much it bothers you.
     
  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I'm sure the biased left media will try to bury and under report the Oregon etc. and they will inflate the Jan 6th out of proportions.
    All the violence should be condemned. I see all of the events as violent and dangerous.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/

    "Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters of then-President Donald Trump, according to the sources, who have been either directly involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations.

    "Ninety to ninety-five percent of these are one-off cases," said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation."
     
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    No.
    No, because they were protected by police officers who put their lives on the line, several of whom have subsequently died.
    On January 6th, traitors beat a police officer with a fire extinguisher and an American flag.

    But more importantly, the January 6th mob tried to usurp our democracy and prevent a peaceful transfer of power to the rightfully elected President of the United States, and did so by violent means. There is simply no comparison.
     
  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Not disputing what you are saying, nor approving the violent actions, but also in Portland and Seattle Police was attacked and ended in hospital. Traitors torched government buildings in Portland and could have burned federal officers of Police didn't stop them.
    All events are condemned.
     
  11. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    All violence should be condemned.

    However, you are the one that keeps conflating the January 6 insurrection with the Oregon riots and lawlessness. The fact remains that the January 6 insurrection will be in the history books 100 years from now but the Oregon riots will not be. The January 6 insurrection was far worse in just about any way that you look at it.
     
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  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    But they are not equal. That's what you keep pushing.
     
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I don't think I make them equal, but I can see why it may appear so.
     
  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    No one knows what you think. The can only read what you post. Your posts equate them.
     

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