Critical Race Theory - Much Ado About Nothing?

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  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    You really don't understand what CRT is. It is not some big huge theory that covers everything. It's much more focused. It is the little definitions that you've read and plagiarized, nothing more. There is nothing really divisive about it that I know of. Even if you were a racist, I don't think it is divisive. It is a theory that tells racists how they might use the system to keep minorities under better control and without even requiring the racist getting their hands dirty!

    Now I never heard of CRT until a few months ago. I've never read any books or anything. I only know what I've read because of this thread. I believe what I have read unlike you though. To tell the truth, I really doubt that you've read very much anyway because you keep demonstrating over and over that you don't understand what CRT is. Anyway, my guess is that nothing in your anecdote had anything to do with CRT. If I had to talk about it in those terms though, I'd say that the murder of George Floyd, if looked at from the context of CRT, the policeman might have thought he could get away with murder because of inherent racism in the system regarding police being held accountable for murdering blacks. But, he was convicted! So it might be an exception to what one might expect based on CRT. That's all I can see that is at all related to CRT.
     
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  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    There is a lot of hate in our day, and the use if CRT is partly to blame.
    If it was noting no one would fight it so badly. GOP is fighting the abuse of CRT because they clearly see how its being used to influence people, especially young generation.
     
  3. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    There was hate long before CRT. CRT explains why the hate exists. It doesn't cause the hate. Except by Republicans who are mad at being called out on their racism.
     
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  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    This doesn't make sense to me. The "use" of CRT does not make sense. What is that supposed to mean? The only people using CRT to make hate is the Republicans.

    No one is fighting CRT. Republicans have made up a silly false story about what CRT is. They have created a bogeyman and call it CRT. People are fighting the bogeyman not CRT.

    Listen Lerner, it has been proven in this thread with multiple links to articles that CRT is not taught in K12. It is not influencing the young generation. You have to separate the lies that have been told to you from the reality. Read the text you plagiarized. That is all that CRT is. You keep spewing nonsense about the bogeyman as if it is CRT.
     
  5. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Say what you say but Republicans know what they see and the only reason there is a Dem resistance is because Dem's are afraid to loose future and current voters among other things.
    The abuse using CRT been exposed and shared, readers will do their research and make their choices.
    Adios
     
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I'm not arguing about that there was hate before CRT, we all know history. CRT in addition to what you are saying also creates hate, one need to be blind not to see that.
    But in the current use in most schools, workplaces Gov and others as applied practice its is very divisive. Its the abuse of CRT that prompted the reaction by Republicans, I would add justified reaction even if a bit late.
    GOP should fight it as a plague.
    There are other ways to address and educate, to bring about tolerance and mutual respect.
    GOP is not racist as many trying to depict.
     
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  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

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  9. Rich Douglas

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  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    He claims to understand what CRT is. He believes the silly lies he's been told by media sources with poor accuracy ratings even when they completely contradict what CRT is. He apparently has both completely incompatible thoughts in his brain at the same time. With zero critical thought being applied. How could CRT possibly be doing what he's claiming it does? It is impossible but he gives it no thought. It bogles my mind. He just wants to believe the bogeyman is true so badly that he is completed blinded.
     
  11. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Interesting article, thank for the link.

    Looking past race is a noble end goal. Ignoring a problem is not always the best way to make a problem disappear. CRT is not any perfect panacea. It is is very minor tool that tries to help us understand ourselves. It is not an evil thing that makes conservatives look bad or tries to take over the minds of our youth. That is the bogeyman not CRT.
     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Heritage Foundation is Mixed accuracy. That is a poor accuracy media source . That is a worthless media source that mixes, true, false and incomplete statements all together just to further their political bias. I'm not looking at it and I really doubt that anyone else will, at least they shouldn't.
     
  13. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That's fair. I often disagree with Heritage, especially on social issues, but even when I agree with them I realize that what they do isn't journalism nor meant to be.
     
  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Yet, I provided a scholarly article that defines CRT and he ignores it. Because this debate isn't about facts. It's about fear.
     
  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I agree. If the discussion was evaluating different policy choices or clarifying a partisan view then it might be an excellent source. But when the discussion is regarding true or false factual matters like what is the impact of CRT on K12 education it is not a relevant source. Heritage Foundation doesn't even pretend to be journalism. (unlike Newsmax or OAN :) )
     
  16. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    I could continue to dump on the guy, but I think we should appreciate his honesty. "The article confirms what I am seeing". He basically told us there's no arguing with his confirmation bias.
     
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  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I don't ignore it, I understand it and now from articles I read from links provided Bill and you.

    I just look at what teachers in my family telling me, the training manuals they have .
    Many teachers are shocked when mandated training (included material based off CRT in my view), which argues that data, facts, and the scientific method are "inherently racist."
    They say teachers were taught during the training session that racism is inherent in all white people, owning property is a form of whiteness, that white people only help black people if it's self serving.
    Some have fear of retaliation if they talk about it from her colleagues are terrified to publicly speak out against the indoctrination that's occurring inside schools at dangerous levels.

    I know its anecdotal, but I find it alarming.

    Was about 11 years ago that the Obama administration forced states to adopt the common core curriculum or lose federal funding? I can be wrong, and not sure if GOP did anything about it since 2017?
    I think the issue was raised in 2018.
     
  18. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Despite your statements that you understand, you continue to make statements that show you don't understand. For example the little anecdote about Mexico

    Makes it plain that you really don't understand.
     
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    A guess most Conservatives don't understand, but I'm glad they are doing something about it.
     
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Conservative or not has nothing to do with with it.

    Perhaps the issue is that you keep trying to confuse potential solutions to the problem of racial inequality with CRT? CRT only tries to help understand why racial inequality exists not how to fix racial inequality. At least I've never seen any discussions about how to fix in the descriptions of CRT. You seem to keep insisting on bringing it up but it is a different topic. I mean, I assume that they might discuss potential solutions in a class discussion in a CRT class. I'd assume it is more along the lines of first try to fix the institutions then try some other things but that doesn't fall under CRT. At least not in any definition of CRT I've ever seen. Not in the one that you plagiarized for sure and I have to assume you at least read that one?
     

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