Critical Race Theory - Much Ado About Nothing?

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  1. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    I think it's enough obsession with fact-checking ratings. Brainwashing is not limited to feeding the mark wrong facts.
    Theory: someone was doing their darnedest to keep a portion of populace scared. It doesn't necessarily even matter what the object of fears is. Let's say "Islamic terror", just as an example. Then someone else comes and exploits their state of mind to form nice, little, profitable cult (with xenophobia and treason as unimportant side effects). Sort of like this:



    This is called "The Mob Song", btw. There is exactly one villain here: Gaston. Doesn't mean the mob is not dangerous.
    It's far from the new trick, of course. If you knew how fear-mongering popular Russian TV has been since early 1990ies (even "factual" programming, like a multi-hour hit "educational" miniseries titled "MOLD", all caps in huge all-black letters; still gives my wife nightmares), you'd know how they came to WANT authoritarianism. It's not a coincidence.
     
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  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    As Steve mentioned, that is an opinion piece. As such it really doesn't have any credibility as a journalism information piece except to get a highly partisan view.

    Right opinion pieces are fine but not for making accusations against the left as to what evil things they are doing to destroy the K-12 educational system in the United States. Here's a clue, the left did not invent CRT for any purpose like that. CRT is simply an explanation as to how the institutions have gotten into a state to have results. differently for different races. For example,

    * Wealth is much better for white families than minority race families.
    * Blacks are stopped much more frequently by the police than white drivers.

    The laws being passed by Republicans to fight CRT are more like a solution without a problem. I linked to an article by the High Accuracy right biased Alabama dot com that basically said that.

    Lerner, if you have a counter example by a High accuracy media source then please post it here.
     
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  3. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Laws being passed by Republicans to "fight CRT" makes Republican voters keep voting Republicans. TALKING about CRT keep them scared and flocking to faux strong men for protection. Let's not pretend the leaders are doing any of this in good faith.
     
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  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    If you can't then perhaps it means you should consider that your media sources have failed you and you were believing things that are not true. Which I assert is the case.
     
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  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    :) Yes, your good point is the real "problem" that those laws are attempting to solve. I stand corrected. thank you.
     
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I don't understand this logic.
    How can you be so sure that my sources are wrong?
    Even if they are 75% right its sufficient.
    The abuses of CRT are real and many cases are documented.
    Sure one can get the Politically Correct version and excerpts or "real" CRT. Only the implementation the practical abuse and the use of it as a carrier is real.
    Examples provided, they are factual.
     
  7. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Bill spent enough time sending you links that show how your "factual sources" are not even consistent in using the term "critical race theory". But they're all "Politically Correct", right? Eco chamber. "We're fifty strong, and fifty Frenchmen can't be wrong".

    Conservative people scare me. Not because they're bad people. They are not; most of my neighbors are GOP. Because the Right conmen are making them into the mob, like in the song, right before our eyes.
     
  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I took time and viewed, read each one of them.
    It made me more educated on the subject and just made me do more research.
    Its like arguing over definitions.
    I'm looking how the CRT is being abused, or what is happening on both sides that use the CRT as political tool.
    The liberal affect on the education system is beyond repair. In the name of progressive we are loosing big time and our students are victims.
    It isn’t just a matter of actively teaching that America and the West are evil. Suppression of “wrongthink” is equally as important to the brainwashing process.
    The young adults who today gleefully tear down statues of the Founding Fathers were incubated in our very own schools.

    Conservatives must demand an end to the indoctrination of our youth or face a new American public taught since childhood that the country shouldn’t exist.

    My relatives and my youngest son is a HS teacher. ( we have debates and I see what the system did to them) We have generations of teachers in our family.

    The rest is here:

    https://www.heritage.org/education/commentary/im-former-teacher-heres-how-your-children-are-getting-indoctrinated-leftist
     
  9. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Not even one good example, except unverifiable anecdote on Churchill. The school was never unbiased: ask grown-ass adults in Tulsa who never heard of the Tulsa Race Massacre, and found out about it from the Netflix comic book series "Watchers". What the Right calls "CRT" is basically "anything we don't want our children to learn about".

    The products of the former "unbiased" education held up NDAA last year because of provision that would start renaming military bases named in honor of Confederate generals. Confederate generals were US officers who betrayed their country. So, yeah, in immortal words of that old white man Aleksandr Sergeevich Griboyedov, "who are the judges?".

    P. S. "Black Lives Matter" is only political because the Right decided to make it political. They now do the same with vaccines and masks.
     
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  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Mixed accuracy sources means a mixture of true, false and incomplete information. That is the source that you point to. High accuracy sources are much much more trustworthy. Of course, you don't trust the sources I've pointed to because you just want to believe what you want to believe. What I try hard to believe is the truth. Some white college kid getting their feelings hurt as told by a third party source? You believe that simply because you want to not because it was presented by a high accuracy source. Perhaps the persons weren't even so bothered as the reporting seemed to indicate. But the truth is either way it doesn't have anything to do with K-12 education. You apparently just can't resist believing conspiracy theories no matter how slim the evidence is?
     
  11. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

  12. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Also, the article he linked to is not a news report. It's an opinion piece, and not a very persuasive one at that.

    A source with identifiable agenda and a mix of true, false, and incomplete information is how a propaganda outfit would look like. I wonder what the accuracy rating for RT is.
     
  13. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bias Rating: RIGHT
    Factual Reporting: MIXED
    The Heritage Foundation website does not report straight news, but rather provides commentary by conservative writers.
    But I'm less interested in the ratings, more interested in content of this specific story. It matches what I see is happening.

    Mostly Factual - this one:
    High Credibility

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/destroy-public-education-system/
     
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  15. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Yes, yes it does, doesn't it? My only response to this: go google "confirmation bias".
     
  16. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Nobody to my knowledge is teaching any such nonsense about the West and America being evil. That is crazy to think any such teaching is widespread. Any source media reporting such stuff better be High accuracy at least or it is just plain nonsense. Please link such a source, if you can. Founding father statues are being torn down? What are you talking about? Do you mean the statues of Civil War generals? Those are NOT founding fathers. Those were traitors to the our country that wanted to keep slaves so badly that they fought against our country, their own country?

    Paranoia is not founded. IMHO

    Take heart. I started a thread here that indicated there was some strong scientific evidence that political liberal/conservative affiliations were based on a person's inherent tastes. Similar to liking or disliking Brussel sprouts. Which if I remember right was even one of the things that seemed to correlate closely with political inclination. I remember you even posted in that thread. However, I also remember that what you posted made it obvious that you had not read the article I linked nor even read any of the posts in the thread. Your posts were apparently based on just the thread title.
    https://www.degreeinfo.com/index.php?threads/level-of-disgust-correlates-with-political-spectrum.57621/

    Does your son like Brussel sprouts? :) Did you ask him about teaching CRT to his high school students?
     
  17. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I believe there were a couple of cases of Founding Father statues being pulled down or vandalized, but it appeared to be done with the belief that they were of Confederate soldiers. LOL. I think there were some groups that wanted to take down all monuments honoring slave owners. Some of the Founding Fathers were slave owners and rapists.
     
  18. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    This article has nothing to do with CRT that I could see. Also any statement in the article that I had disagreement with, the author made it clear that he was just stating his opinion. If we were discussing K-12 education in general this would probably be a good article though but that is not what this thread is about.

    Regarding the Mostly Factual accuracy rating, my challenge was a High accuracy article. Although, I will read all mostly factual articles you link to but will unlikely read any Mixed accuracy or lower rated sources.
     
  19. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I read Texas' anti-history law. It didn't appear that it would do much until the end. There's a patriotism aka nationalistic, indoctrination project. They're requiring teachers to lie about the founding principles of the country. Teachers are to teach that racism, discrimination, segregation, etc. are deviations from our founding principles. How is something a deviation when the majority of the people at the founding of the nation held those beliefs?
     
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Okay, I hadn't heard about that. That would be even more crazy though wouldn't it? Progressives have to be responsible for crazy vandals now? Because they were taught in a public school!!! How does Lerner know they weren't taught in a private school or a charter school? Oh because it doesn't match the ideas floating around that he wants to believe? It is just more convenient to assume that they went to public school. Sounds like more confirmation bias to me.
     

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