Critical Race Theory - Much Ado About Nothing?

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  1. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    One more thing: equality of all regardless of their "identity" is a Left idea. Conservatism is always about preserving hierarchies in society; modern regressive GOP cult is about rebuilding ("great again") ones from some unidentified bygone era.
    Elisabeth Warren was a Republican for years, until she dove into data on consumer bankruptcy for academic research. This example goes a long way to explain the Right's anti-intellectualism. Modern GOP goes far beyond this, and off the deep end. The key GOP tribal notions now come from the QAnon cult (this includes a number of election-related conspiracies Lerner spreads). QAnon believes, quite literally, that a secretive cabal of baby-eating Satanists rules the world; this cabal includes all Liberals and Democrats, and all of these people should be detained in concentration camps or killed ("day of the noose" meme). So, Republican base awaits Trump-led genocide. Talking about the dangers of good ol' CRT is the most shameless distraction I've ever seen, save maybe for KPSS holding a May First parade days after Chernobyl.

     
  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    By ascribing it to "white privilege", you're implying that anti-vaxxers are all white, when that's clearly false. The irony is that that's exactly what we're talking about here, using race as a simplistic default explanation for everything that's bad, even though the real world is a lot more nuanced. And that's exactly the sort of poor thinking that's making its way into K-12 curricula:

    https://www.city-journal.org/identity-politics-in-cupertino-california-elementary-school
    https://www.city-journal.org/antiracism-comes-to-the-heartland
    https://www.city-journal.org/philadelphia-fifth-graders-forced-to-celebrate-black-communism
    https://www.city-journal.org/racial-equity-programs-seattle-schools

    And to anticipate an objection, yes, City Journal may be on the right, but they rate as mostly factual. I get it that you want to boo anything that comes from Team Red, but (specifically about this) they're not all wrong.
     
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Or, in case you think it's only conservatives who will talk about this, here's a piece in Los Angeles Magazine (Left-Center, High accuracy) about the president of that city's teachers union and her views on education:

    https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/cecily-myart-cruz-teachers-union/

    Lowlights include:
    • “There is no such thing as learning loss. Our kids didn’t lose anything. It’s OK that our babies may not have learned all their times tables. They learned resilience. They learned survival. They learned critical-thinking skills. They know the difference between a riot and a protest. They know the words insurrection and coup.”
    • “Education is political. People don’t want to say that, but it is.”
    • “Reopening schools without…a broader improvement of schools will be unsafe and will only deepen…racial and class inequalities.”
    • “You can recall the Governor. You can recall the school board. But how are you going to recall me?”
     
  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member


    No clue why you claim the GOP is not talking about CRT. That is demonstrably false.

    You failed miserably before describing the abuses of CRT. Care to try again?

    Again CRT is basically the theory that racism is built into our society. My favorite example is that according to the constitution blacks are only worth 3/5 of a white person. How is that kind of thing being abused by the left?
     
  5. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    In our little charter school? I do not think that the one black kid we have is the problem, to be quite frank. We moved to a nice area of town with a very distinct vibe, and it's not liberal. Or diverse.

    Being factual and being unbiased is not one and the same. Are you really buying the premise that all ills in the public school system are due to antiracism? And not due to, eg., re-segregation? Besides, as colossal a waste of time the anecdotes here describe are, the first article lost me when they characterize these anecdotes as "basically teaching racism" (a non-sequitur based even on their characterization), teaching that "identities are inborn characteristics" (pretty much the opposite of what CRT says) and then attributing it without explanation to "critical race theory".
    The last generation stopped teaching kids multiplication tables based on belief in "self-esteem" or some such. Can you blame this on CRT as well?
     
  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    It's unclear to me the relevance this stuff has to this thread? This is not talking about CRT nor does it even pretend to be about CRT.
     
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Who are you kidding, I provided sufficient examples and info about the abuses of CRT, especially if its labeled as failure by the left side of the debate.
    My response was to your statement, that his CRT debate is almost non-existent.
    Its exists its just that majority left media is not interested in reporting on it.
    Yes, I'm glad 8 states and hope more will join and stop the abuse of CRT.

    Stanislav, you missed the examples from the government agencies?
    There is more then 1000 abuses documented.
     
  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    CRT is "Neo Marxism"
    The boogeyman CRT created is a withe man.
     
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Uh...really? Examples, please. And remember your qualifier, "wherever they can."

    Also, what does it mean to "implement" CRT?
     
  10. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    How so?
     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    CRT employs the concept of “white supremacy” as a descriptor of reality for everyday experiences of racism now.
    CRT exists to quietly promote Marxism as the dominate social construct in the USA.

    Real CRT explained below:
    Its an excerpt and I rearranged here and there.

    Liz Wheeler is host of The Liz Wheeler Show. - an American conservative political commentator,


     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Lerner, that is silly nonsense coming from the right not the left. That was never what CRT was about. There have been many links that define what CRT actually is in this thread. All that stuff that you are claiming is coming from the left is lies. It is silly lies coming from the right. It is the Bogeyman. The Bogeyman is not real. I know you read very little of what other people type or at least what I type. You really should read what CRT is actually about.

    Actually what would serve you best is to get your news from a reliable source. Fox News, Newsmax and OAN are not reliable. They are filling your head full of lies.
     
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  13. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Government employees having to sit through poorly designed training seminars? This is unheard of! Stop the presses!
    I actually was a government employee until last year; the grade of absurd you point to is nothing to write home about. Especially considering how 75% of antiracism concepts have merit.
    Did you miss any of the arguments I posted? This is Saushkino school of debate, Lerner; I still think higher of you than that.
     
  14. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Spot on.
    Lerner, try this: https://www.uclaextension.edu/humanities-social-sciences/humanities-social-sciences-general/course/lets-talk-about-race-baby
    It's a free live webinar series. At least you'll have an opportunity to meet some actual leftists.
     
  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    You didn't explain the connection. You just restated it.
     
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I think explanation is provided in the commented article.
    What would be acceptable to you as explanation ?
     
  17. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Well-Known Member

    That is certainly my perspective, but our definitions of the far left likely depart. I generally see, what I would refer to as the far left, as but a very small minority of the Democratic party. Which I consider at this point, to be predominately moderate. While I generally see the far right as essentially or effectively now constituting the base of the Republican party. While I live in a rather progressive community, by choice, I do certainly hear on a regular basis those that I would refer to as the far left, attempting to do what I'd refer to as a progressive one-upmanship. By attempting to continually bringing up CRT or proposing the integration of some of it's concepts. At times I think some of them believe they get progressive points for bringing it up in conversations. Personally I think we've entered the crazy times, where we now have the far left and the far right in a downward spiral of negatively feeding off of each other. By implement, I'm referring to some of the concepts that are commonly attributable to it; such as using CRT as a defense that narratives are more important than facts, that policies and practices inherently cannot be discriminatory if they increase racial equity, arguments against merit systems, an overriding consideration of racial privilege, etc. We can certainly debate that these concepts are not what CRT is about, but I would certainly argue that these are concepts that are certainly being put forth as concepts of CRT. Again, would point out my previous statement that I see incredible value in CRT, or at least many of the aspects of it put forth by Crenshaw and Bell. It's just that I'm seeing concepts of it taken, from what I consider, out of context and applied into different circumstances as if people are receiving extra progressive points for doing such...
     
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  18. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    We're arguing over an obscure theory that is having zero impact on society. I, for one, am out of this silliness.
     
  19. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Oops, sorry I posted this in the wrong thread.

    What are reliable High accuracy media sources that are also right biased saying about CRT? I have boldly stated in this thread that they would not be telling the silly lies that Lerner is retelling. I thought I would check into my bold untested assertion. So I searched on Mediabiasfactcheck.com for a High accuracy media source that was right biased. Here's one that didn't require a subscription, Alabama dot com. I'm pleased to report that the silly lies that Lerner have been posting are apparently not told there Here are the two most recent articles that talk about CRT on al.com.

    Alabama teachers, students fear critical race theory resolution could hamper needed discussions
    https://www.al.com/educationlab/2021/08/alabama-teachers-students-fear-critical-race-theory-resolution-could-hamper-needed-discussions.html

    Along party and race lines, Alabama state school board bans critical race theory
    https://www.al.com/news/2021/08/on-party-and-race-lines-alabama-state-school-board-bans-critical-race-theory.html
     
  20. Charles Fout

    Charles Fout Active Member

    Friends & scholars - THANK YOU! I have decided to repudiate any notion of banning Critical Race Theory. I'm afraid burning books will become fashionable in the not too distant future.
     

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