Republicans still believe Trump's election loss was the result of a rigged election

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  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Yes, but there is the rub. What we do when getting our news is we reference trusted news sources that almost always tell the truth. That is not Lerner's approach. Lerner doesn't watch, read or listen to trusted media. He therefore seems to not really believe or be completely convinced of anything. He has some ideas as to what is true or not true but he seems to function mostly on hope. He pays attention to stuff that he hopes is true. So on the one hand he can truthfully say that Biden was probably elected fairly because no real evidence to voter fraud has been presented. On the other hand he can still hope that it is true. So the lies that he is repeating may be things that he hopes becomes true.
     
  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    What trusted media? o_O The media elite?
    I posted info from mixed sources, for you the readers to be the judges.
    Some right biased like Rumble with Bannon and OAN, NewsMax, some are more center, and some are CNN, FOX and a like.
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    If they're "elite," it's for a good reason.
     
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    From Forbes site.
    I didn't validate the info, just posting for the readers to be the judges.

    Aug 9, 2021,12:25pm EDT|11,497 views
    CNN, MSNBC Drop In ‘Trust’ Ratings As Fox News Channel Rises

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  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Right. For example, I am not. But I don't claim to be "just reporting" what these liars are saying. I post what I think and I stand by it. And I assume you stand by everything you post, and that you're okay with being judged on that basis.
     
  6. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Do you share his stated belief that elections are over as of January 6, if not earlier? And that Trump's Big Lie harms United States and its democracy? Yes or no?

    P. S. How shocking is it that standing up for observable facts is now an act of courage? And yet it is. All respect due to Sen. Romney.
     
  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    This is not what I was talking about. This is a popularity rating not an accuracy rating. I've said this about a dozen times Lerner. I'll say it again so that you can ignore it again.

    MediaBiasFactCheck.com does an excellent job rating news media based on how accurate their news is. Two things are measured bias and accuracy.
    Accuracy - Very High, High, Mostly Factual Mixed, Low, Very Low
    Bias - Extreme, left, left center, least biased right center, right Extreme

    Fox, MSNBC, and CNN are all rated the same. Accuracy Mixed, With bias at left and right.

    CBS, NBC, and ABC are all rated the same left center and High

    Top notch sources are the best printed news sources like Washington Post, New York Post, Wall Street Journal etc.

    The worthless crap that you post links to here like OAN and Newsmax and worse are very poor and should not be trusted. Even Fox MSNBC, and CNN talk shows are only good for entertainment and affirmation purposes not accurate enough to trust as ones only source. And your idea that looking at multiple bad sources somehow makes it okay is totally incorrect.
     
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  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Maybe because the sponsors pay good money. And the "operatives" do a good job for the sponsors.
     
  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    This is were we deffer,
    Because unlike for the left, where there are multiple representatives on this board i found my self alone on the GOP side and I'm not even
    a member or activist just one person with opinion.
    I bring variety of good, bad and the ugly sources for the GOP side as a counter measure so to say.
    On some I agree on some I report even when I don't agree with it.
    That point is missed by many.
     
  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    For me the elections were over in 2020.
    I repeated this many times.
    The focus is on the next elections and there are many important issues that GOP needs to concentrate on.
    If I bring some news because I'm the only one currently on this site that posts anything on the GOP side, I post the Good, the ad and the Ugly.
    I don't have to agree with Mike Lindell to share some news about him.
    So for example as it was expected the frankspeech.com was blocked so he is moving his presentation to avoice.com.news site.
    There is following , I don't proclaim any support or not support just providing info.
    There is a following are they right or wrong, its a mater of opinion. Some strongly condemn and resist, some the other way strongly believe.
     
  11. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Sorry that I was unclear. This response had nothing to do with my posts that I can tell. My last two posts were talking about the accuracy of news sources. You were responding to my previous post talking about news media accuracy. Unfortunately, I used the word "trusted" but meant "accuracy", sorry. Your post keyed off the word trust and found information that talked about trust but was meaning popularity.
     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Here it is again Lerner. With a final paragraph at the end added.

    MediaBiasFactCheck.com does an excellent job rating news media based on how accurate their news is. Two things are measured bias and accuracy.
    Accuracy - Very High, High, Mostly Factual Mixed, Low, Very Low
    Bias - Extreme, left, left center, least biased right center, right, Extreme

    Fox, MSNBC, and CNN are all rated the same. Accuracy Mixed, With bias at left and right.

    CBS, NBC, and ABC are all rated the same left center and High

    Top notch sources are the best printed news sources like Washington Post, New York Post, Wall Street Journal etc.

    The worthless crap that Lerner post links to here like OAN and Newsmax and worse are very inaccurate and not to be trusted rated at low and very low accuracy ratings. Even Fox MSNBC, and CNN talk shows are only good for entertainment and affirmation purposes not accurate enough to trust as ones only source. And your idea that looking at multiple bad sources somehow makes it okay is totally incorrect.

    If you want to get a handle on reality then something like WSJ should be considered. It is rated at a bias between right and right center which you should like and most importantly an accuracy of mostly factual. Going for anything below a mostly factual rating is going to be very iffy.
     
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  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Where is FOX in your analysis?

    Reading news this morning, and it appears to me that left media sugar coating NY Governors Coumo resignation.
    It appears to me as if to have to mention the news, but make it the least damaging to the sponsors and the Democrat party.
    Example:
    Reuters - NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo resigns amid scandal.
    Yahoo - Gov. Cuomo announces resignation effective in 14 days
    Once you read content then yes, the reason for the resignation is stated clearly.

    To be objective becomes hard at times, especially when family is involved, this shows the human side of people involved in the news organizations.
    CNN -On Bryan Stelter who is anchor and the chief media correspondent for CNN, Colbert brought up a recent New York Times report
    that the younger Chris Cuomo had been helping his brother and working with his communications team.
    I don't blame anybody, I think for many people family comes first.
    In May, Cuomo came clean about advising his brother, admitted it was a mistake and said it would not happen anymore.
    At the time, CNN called his actions inappropriate, but understood the unique situation in which Cuomo found himself.
    Reminds us that we are not dealing with robots but humans and pressures of life that every one has to deal with.


    First of all I also post FOX, and CNN and others who are in the more "credible" list you are mentioning but the underdogs.
    As to OAN and NEWSMAX they developed a loyal following, especially toward the end of 2020 when some felt they cant trust Fox.
    They look like real news so its a part of their appeal and success.
    Newsmax, which is attempting to outflank Fox News from the political right admitted in the past their mistakes, especially in covering post elections issues.
    Newsmax ran through some of the claims that have been made about the elections and essentially debunked them.

    I compare multiple sources of news and at time do catch my self after the fact that I should have checked better, but at times get in to argument and post something that
    get my attention first.




     
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The Newsmax backtracking on Dominion was insincere. They were not trying to make amends by admitting mistakes. They were simply trying to do damage control to try to minimize their vulnerability to being plowed under by the Dominion libel lawsuit.

    Fox and CNN and MSNBC are not accurate and should not be trusted. Newsmax and OAN are way worse. Just use https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/wall-street-journal/

    Watching Fox is okay to watch your favorite show or something. Just keep in mind that you are being entertained not really listening to the news. I suggest the same approach for folks watching CNN and MSNBC. But trying to get news from them or heaven forbid even less accurate players like Newsmax and OAN is going to disconnect you from reality.

    This is how a majority of Republicans can believe that Trump won the election. They are being lied to by the the news media that they watch. they are disconnected from reality.

    P.S. This question of yours.
    Where is FOX in your analysis?

    Seems to show that you have not really read my last few posts. It's not my analysis and I talked about Fox in each one.
     
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2021
  15. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Gosh...what is today? August 11? Is Biden still hanging on to the White House keys?
     
  16. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Fine. Prove it.
     
  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    "Tomorrow, tomorrow. I love ya, tomorrow. You're always a day away...."
     
  18. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Hang on. MSNBC almost never reports news. They are now an opinion channel 24-hours-a-day, IIRC.
     
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Whoops I see I missed it.
    I actually read it fully the first time and missed Fox as it is the first one . My apology.
     
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Yes, just like Fox News Fun to watch a show every once in a while though.
     

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