Republicans still believe Trump's election loss was the result of a rigged election

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  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I predict this will be on Tucker Carlson tonight! Okay, maybe OAN tonight and Tucker next week.
     
  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The Big Lie believers correlates with unvaccinated.

    Of the people that believe Biden won legitimately 83% have been vaccinated.
    Of the people that believe Biden won because of election fraud 36% have been vaccinated.

    Another statistic, something like up to 5% of people with Covid-19 die. So Trump is culling his own base of supporters.
     
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  3. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Grim statistics.
     
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    For 2022 GOP should focus on issues.
    Start with rising crime and disaster on the borders.
    And many many more.

    They need to move on from 2020 elections but many will not, they are ready to wait for how things evolve.

    I don't think President Biden was sufficient time in the office to significantly improve the situation on many fronts mentioned above.
    Seems like two military bases are being prepped to host migrants.
    China is getting ready and probing taking over Taiwan, Japan is stepping up to the challenge.
    Iran is not in a hurry to renew any agreements soon.
    Most likely getting the bomb soon.
    Infrastructure is suffering, need a lot of resources.
     
  5. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

  6. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Carlson is one of the most explicitly fascistic people in the new GOP "mainstream". No wonder he reports things like these.

    What continues to fascinate me is how did they manage to convert thick-accented immigrants to their immigrant hatefest. Neither you nor me can successfully pass for a "real American" to these people. Maybe by keeping our mouths shut at all times.
     
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member


    People may love to help migrants but here is an example how out of control migration without planing hurts and making people to hate migrants.
    Small near border TX town, had one hospital for emergencies and healthcare, it was overwhelmed by migrants and soon after closed, ran out of funds, resources.
    Today there is no hospital in the town.
    Residents are driving for healthcare for hours, no emergency services. People sold homes and moved.
    I'm an immigrant, sensitive to issues related to immigration.
    My druther attended public school, she was with 59 additional kids in the classroom about 50% were undocumented migrants.
    The teacher wasted a lot of time on trying to control the classroom, and handling groups of different levels. It was a mess.
    I was able to transfer her to a better school after we moved.
    I'm not even mentioning human trafficking, crime etc.

    So with the right planning and funding it is possible to keep the wolves from eating the sheep.

    So when talking about fascist , its easy to blame.
     
  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Whether or not a state has a high or low level vaccination rates correlates more strongly to whether it went for Trump or Biden than does the 2000 election Red/Blue results. That's how much things have changed.

    We live in two different Americas now. Who knew acceptance or rejection of the existence of a deadly disease would be the dividing line?
     
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Isn't Fox News part of the "main stream media"? If not, how is that? I'm asking for a friend.
     
  10. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Well-Known Member

    I’d be really happy if they started to focus on honesty and integrity... unfortunately they’re still cannibizing their own who speak truth. Between Cheney, Gaetz, CPAC, the MI GOP Chair, and now the College Republican organization... they’ve gone all in on positioning themselves as opposed to all traditional conservative values.
     
  11. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Well-Known Member

    Yeah, but they’re kind of like that second cousin you have/had, prior to the divorce, who’s living in a Florida meth trailer... I mean, you could argue they kind of are, you just don’t really want to admit it..
     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    If Nazis can be considered part of Antifa by the crowd that always talks negatively about main stream media then considering Fox News to not be a part of main stream media should be easy.
     
  13. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Hoo boy... this deserves a two-part response.
    It's a bit rich to cite concern about hospitals and schools running out of resources in support of a party which systematically, for decades, undermines public institutions like schools and hospitals. And to attack a party that has expanding access to healthcare as a major plank of their platform. But yeah, sure, it all makes sense if you blame those people. And cite #ucker "naturalized citizens will not replace us" Carson, telling stories which conveniently omit the actual name of an actual town. Omitting stories of rural towns in Republican-led states where women drive to the nearest city to give birth.
    I have more things to say, so kindly read the next post.
     
  14. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    We're both immigrants. So let's share our immigrant stories to put our concerns into context, shall we?
    I first came here on a student visa in 2003, after winning a place in a funded PhD program. Which means working a part-time job as a TA in exchange for tuition waiver and a stipend of $820 a month, meant to feed me and my wife. Oh, and pay for a shitty health insurance out of pocket, because F1s are required by law to carry health insurance. I left for Canada the moment my status expired, and came back last year with a job offer. I have very little to complain, it was a rather straightforward path, comparatively. Note, however, how at no point in time did I come here uninvited OR had anything handed out to me. This is how the vast majority of us 4th Wavers are coming here.
    Now, the previous wave came at slightly different circumstances. People leaving Soviet Union needed permission from the repressive authorities (the "exit visa"), so about the category of people who left in any numbers were those fleeing semi-official anti-Semitism. They got asylum status under amendment introduced by Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ). They were given work permits and limited social assistance (services most undocumented people can't access). Another stream at the same time left for Germany, a country with more generous social safety net; this immigration program is a form of reparations for Holocaust. Many of these (as well as those who left for Israel) later ended up in US. And most of them are now quite conservative. People who fled the horrors of being passed over for promotion or facing a quota for admissions to Moscow State Institute of International Affairs take a principled stand with the party which prevents people to use drug cartel violence, rape and forced prostitution as grounds for asylum. Because their druthers may G-d forbid have to share a high school classroom with undocumented.

    Frankly, I feel rather disappointed with multiple groups of people lately. Y'all can see my periodic snipes at Canada, for example. But no one upsets me more than certain people who share the same background as I, Not aimed at anyone directly.

    BTW, a term "fascist" is not a slur; it's factual. A fascist is a supporter of fascistic movements, like the one that now dominates the GOP (or United Russia, for that matter). Even those objectively fine folks who got suckered by watching too much of Tucker Carson, the favorite TV personality of literal neo-Nazis.
     
  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    15 pages and Joe Biden is still, unquestionably, president. Amazing.
     
  16. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Yes but, it's not August yet.
     
  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    And the Arizona audit--which we residents of Arizona are dying to see--stays under wraps. They now say they won't be putting out their report until much later. Seeing that the creation of this fundraising boondoggle was the issue, not any "findings" it may uncover, I don't see why they should ever publish a report.
     
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  18. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    My guess is that they found nothing worth noting. So three things are happening.

    1. They want to raise as much money as possible before the boondoggle is over.
    2. They could be "massaging" the findings.
    3. They are hoping other states will line them up for the same fund raising boondoggle in other states. Releasing unconvincing lies will just reduce that possibility. So, it's better to sit on it.

    The whole thing was originally supposed to be done in three weeks. Which was sometime in April, IIRC. Unless they can come up with a good enough lie that those already convinced like the report, they probably won't ever release the report.
     
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  19. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Oh, no. They're saying there's 74,000 absentee votes that didn't get sent anywhere. Of course not; those are the early votes in person.
     
  20. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    This is the Benghazi Method. The one where nothing wrong actually happened, but you raise enough noise, smoke, etc. to make people think, "Well, something must be wrong!"

    The last thing these people want to do is issue a definitive report. Then it's over, and they don't want it to be over. Even the 74K absentee voter issue was brought up in a meeting with the two Republican officials behind the fraudit. No one was allowed to ask questions, no evidence was produced by the fraudit team, etc. Can't have any of that!
     

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