A Press Corps Deceived, and the Gaza Invasion That Wasn’t

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  1. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/14/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-disinformation.html

    This strikes me as dangerously close to a war crime. I take no stake in the conflict - I don't know enough about it to do so without embarrassing myself - but the law of perfidy prevents one side from doing something in good faith (often surrendering) in order to expose vulnerable troops to attack.

    Would falsely claiming a ground invasion had begun to provoke troops rise to that same standard?
     
  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That seems more like a ruse of war, not an act of perfidy.

    Geneva Conventions, Article 37, Section 2: "Ruses of war are not prohibited. Such ruses are acts which are intended to mislead an adversary or to induce him to act recklessly but which infringe no rule of international law applicable in armed conflict and which are not perfidious because they do not invite the confidence of an adversary with respect to protection under that law. The following are examples of such ruses: the use of camouflage, decoys, mock operations and misinformation."
     
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  3. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Well that settles it! You're right, that does fit under the description of ruse of war, a mock operation. Still rubs me the wrong way, but that's why I'm not a military officer lol.
     
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Firing thousands of rockets on civilian population by Hamas and Islamic Jihad is one huge war crime.
    Israel has the right and an obligation to defend the country and destroy the enemy.
    Hamas and Islamic Jihad abuse Islam by shooting rockets at cities of Israel targeting civilians.
    Iranian regime as part of their ideology to destroy Israel, wipe Israel of the map, so they are working on a long term plan to destroy Israel.
    Hisballa is preserved for the later engagement, just a mater or time, not if but when. Posibly not in this round.

    So Hamas and Islamic Jihad needs to be accused of war crimes. Israel is not occupying Gaza.
    No Israelis in Gaza for some 16 years. Hamas is the occupiers in gaza and the tragedy of the people of Gaza.

    Palestinian people are abused by Hamas.
    Hamas own rockets killed Palestinians.
     
  5. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Israel defending its country.
    Facts are pointing to the opposite, its Hamas who is committing the war crimes.
    In times like that it reminds a Prophecy from Zech 12:
    "I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem.
    On that day I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock. All the nations will gather against it to try to move it, but they will only hurt themselves.
    On that day I will strike every horse with panic and its rider with madness," declares the LORD. "I will keep a watchful eye over Judah, but I will blind all the horses of the nations."
     
  6. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    I already said I don't have a side in the conflict because I don't know enough about it. You've clearly got yours, but you're not going to convince anyone else by ranting at them so I wouldn't waste your breath.
     
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  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Dustin,
    Since you are not the only one who is reading the tread I think that it was important to put things in perspective.
    I simply stated the facts.
    I just balanced it that the other side committed war crimes by shooting thousands of rockets at Israeli cities, on Israeli civilians, children, woman, elderly on all the people.
    Any country under such situation will do everything possible to prevent such attacks.
    The underground "train" tunes in Gaza from were Hamas and other militants shoot rockets is under roads, buildings etc, Israeli military is destroying these terror tunnels methodically, they warn citizens before they attack to prevent civilian loss of life.
    Unfortunately civilians get hurt and died in this hostilities/war.
     
  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Stuff that Zechariah said 2500 years ago are facts?
     
  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Clarification:

    Facts are the current event that I described in the earlier posts.

    For those who missed the line - In times like that it reminds a Prophecy from Zech 12:

    The prophecy is something that the current events in Israel reminded me. And its not the first time.
     
  10. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    Doesn't raising the rhetorical question whether Israel's ruse was "dangerously close to a war crime" come dangerously close to taking sides in the conflict?
     
  11. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    I don't think it does, because I wasn't implying anything about the conflict at large, nor about which side was involved. It was more of a theoretical question. Group X did this, to allow a deadlier attack on Group Y. Now that I know that it falls under a ruse of war it renders the whole thing moot.
     
  12. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

     
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    Lerner Well-Known Member

  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Cease fire began.

    Maybe this round ended.
     
  15. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I wish people would listen more closely to Hamas' pronouncements. They don't want any sort of peace that allows for the existence of any Jewish State in Palestine. They will continue to make war for the extermination of Israel and all Israeli Jews as they and their predecessors have done consistently since 1947. One side cannot make peace alone.
     
  16. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I think Hamas launched the rockets for internal political reasons. It raised their status within their political base, the Palestinians. I'm sure they knew that the death toll would be overwhelmingly against them in the end. They didn't care. They were just trying to improve their own selfish position. Israel has every right to defend themselves.

    An interesting part of the story to me is the international opinion on the issue, as well as the dynamics of public opinion within the USA.
     
  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The end game is Islamic state and destruction of Israel.

    Here some info that will provide food for thought.

     
    Last edited: May 28, 2021
  18. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Yes, it's definitely a mess. Trying to build a lasting peace with folks that don't think you have a right to exist is not a workable situation.
     

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