Tea leaves?

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member


    Rich, I have 0 evidence. But who am I? And I understand that this can be reckless to claim such.
    What I share here in the news I see in the media such as Fox.

    1. Trump legal team estimated will have four or five lawsuits over alleged voter fraud in battleground states by the end of the week and said Trump is right not to concede on Sunday.

    2. Senate Judiciary Committee would investigate possible voting irregularities after receiving an affidavit from a Pennsylvania postal worker alleging a plot to backdate ballots mailed after Election Day.
    “It is imperative that all credible allegations of voting irregularities and misconduct be investigated to ensure the integrity of the 2020 elections,” Graham, a South Carolina Republican and the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, said in a statement. “I will not allow credible allegations of voting irregularities or misconduct to be swept under the rug.”

    https://www.scribd.com/document/483333233/AFFIDAVIT-OF-RICHARD-HOPKINS#from_embed

    3. President Trump still has a path to victory, and that path is to count every single legal vote that was cast, but also not to count any votes that were fraudulently cast or illegally cast, and we have a legal process to determine what's legal and what isn't," Cruz, R-Texas, told "Sunday Morning Futures.

    We all know what and how the left acted after 2016.
    Now Republicans are challenging the results.

    No mater what I or you will say here. At least nobody is asking me :).
     
  2. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Yes, I remember. Hillary Clinton called Trump and conceded the election.
     
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  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    You're just like everyone else on that side of the issue:

    That evening, a federal judge heard arguments from attorneys who wanted to stop the counting in Nevada’s Clark County because Republicans could not conduct “meaningful observation.” The judge wondered how to interpret the phrase. How many people should observe, and from what distance? Should observers be entitled to hear a ballot-counter’s every utterance? What if one of the poll workers had a soft voice and could not be overheard?

    “At what point does this get to the ridiculous?” Judge Andrew P. Gordon asked.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/four-seasons-total-landscaping-guiliani-trump-election/2020/11/08/3cf80056-2134-11eb-b532-05c751cd5dc2_story.html#comments-wrapper

    Indeed.
     
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    She knew well about the spying on Donald Trump then a candidate, the fake dossier that she funded and what was to come shortly after.
    The attempt to unseat President Trump by the left and establishment.
    But she did make that call.
    And I think after all is done Trump will make that call. But not now as he still believes the elections were stolen form him.
    Not by Russians like Dem's cried in 2016 but by fraudulent mail in illegal ballots.
    And he will try to prove it.
     
  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Yes. Clinton conceded the election and Obama provided a peaceful and professional transition. I'm assuming you would expect Trump to do the same, but you're instead suggesting there are unresolved issues in the election. There are none.
     
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    OK so in in this example the republicans who feel they were wronged have an option to take the issue further.
    It maybe thrown out or not as a more superior Judge may have different view.
    Simply checking what and if there are regulations and if these regulations were followed?

    This does not say that in other locations there were no violations.
    Its for a reason that in PA votes coming in after the deadline (before it was changed) ordered by SCOTUS judge to be segregated and we are yet to see how this will play-out.
    Will these votes be deducted from the total count? Will it make a difference?

    All the we are saying let it be checked, and if needed investigated.
    This is something that both sides should want.
     
  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Lerner, you keep repeating this silly dossier thing. As Rich said, this was paid for Republicans and after the primaries the Hillary campaign took over the payments. So what? Hillary didn't use it for anything? Yet, you keep repeating the same old thing simply because you blindly keep repeating Trump lies and misstatements. That has nothing to do with anything being discussed in 2020 does it? I mean congrats on remembering much of the your cult personality leader's statements about how horrible he's been picked on his WHOLE life but what does it have to do with reality?
     
  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I disagree with your assessment. There was a conspiracy and it was obvious, we all saw the angry media mob in the last 4 years.
    It was the same team, so another player ran with the ball. The goal was to remove President Trump form the office. This is not a repeat of lie but a repeat of what happening.

    And this was not silly dossier, it was a weapon used by political rivals to hurt a US President.
    The whole Russia collusion thing. So you can be in denial as long as you want.
    Now Biden will deliver on “an incredibly progressive and aggressive” policy agenda.
    Washington would have to force all Americans to reduce their energy consumption and/or switch to "green" energy sources – and fast. And the only way to do that is to impose coercive taxes and regulations.
    Look at a carbon tax – the most popular recommendation of those asking government to "nudge" us off of fossil fuels
    would cost a family of four nearly $8,000 per year in income lost to higher energy costs, consumer prices and foregone wages. The 20-year cost totals $165,000.
    And this is just a tip of the iceberg.
    Green New Deal offers minimal climate improvement at impossibly high prices.
    You were sold a bunch of ......
     
  9. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The dossier was not used during the campaign. The dossier was given to the FBI by Steele not by Clinton. The FBI didn't really use it for anything either, except for a FISA warrant. The FBI did investigate the raw intelligence in it as you'd expect the FBI to do with any similar raw intelligence. Some things were verified and some was found false. The angry media mob nonsense is just more Trump lies. You keep repeating vague nonsense without any substance. The whole Russia collusion thing was an investigation run by the Republicans!

    I know trying to explain reality to you is hopeless because you think that I'm part of the evil Democratic conspiracy but here's this anyway.

    "Contrary to a conspiracy theory promoted by Trump, Fox News, and many of Trump's congressional supporters, the dossier was not the trigger for the opening of the FBI's "Crossfire Hurricane" counterintelligence investigation into "whether individuals associated with the Donald J. Trump for President Campaign were coordinating, wittingly or unwittingly, with the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election." It did play a central role in the seeking of FISA warrants on Carter Page in terms of establishing FISA's low bar for probable cause."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier
     
  10. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Republicans had poll watchers in situ throughout the counting process all over the country. They were checking this in real time! That's what makes these implications--that there's something needing to be checked--absurd.

    Republicans who continue to do this look stupid.
     
  11. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Obvious? Really? Where is it then? The Trump administration, backed by majorities in both the House and the Senate, had 4 years to ferret out this conspiracy. Nothing.
     
  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Bob Mueller wasn't in denial. He documented more than 100 instances of collusion and put it in his report.
     
  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Joliet Jake (to Carrie Fisher's "Mystery Woman"): No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!
     
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  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    There is a lot happening that we don't know.

    And elections officials that put boards on windows.
    Some places were hiding fraud.
    This will be in courts.
     
  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    There were Republican poll watchers in the room. There are always both Republican and Democratic poll watchers in the room. Crazy Looney Toon talk by a sore loser and you believe every word!
     
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Yes in many rooms, including the one my wife worked for 5 days everything was observed. But there were locations that people complained about.

    There is no Looney Tune talking, there were people on Republican side who were not allow to watch.
    Look like it or not this is going to court to be challenged.
    This is what I hear and Trump will follow up on this.
     
  17. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    It's wishful speculation. You can make wild claims with speculation but you can't go into court. Well, as with the election itself, I am done here. Facts are stubborn things, after all.
     
  18. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member


    I was not saying that it was your Looney Toon words. I was saying that it was Donald Trump's Looney Toon words that you are parroting. Monday Trump will file some lawsuits along with those lawsuits I predict will be loads of accusations and assertions with little substance and ZERO substance pointing to sufficient problems to overturn the vote counts enough to impact the election. If there was anything like that it would already be in the news. That is what would have been presented instead of Looney Toon talk. Trump is playing this game just because he's a sore loser and he's stringing you along.
     
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2020
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I don't know, this is why I'm saying we will soon know.
    Trump with all that was going on like media non stop stacks on him did a lot of work, he went to work for the people right from the start.
    He is not going away without challenging the results, he thinks PA (there is case there- illegal extension will be examined by SCOTUS and the segregated votes possibly deducted from the count) and GA (after recount of all the legal votes) will be overturn to his advantage. NV and AZ there are complains there as well.

    Coming weeks we will know
     
  20. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

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