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  1. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Heh, that's actually a fair point.
     
  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Belarus? Seriously. C'mon.

    Right. One side complains about it while the other commits it. Thanks for noticing!
     
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I wasn't joking.
    When Biden is saying that China is not a competitor of the US? And other things he is saying.
    While Biden the son was getting millions?
    A number of possibilities are possible such as tapes that exist on compromised Bidens and can be used to blackmail Biden.
    For CIA and other esteemed agencies to check. The trip to China and the deals there, and Ukraine and how it affects Biden policy on China who according to his view not a competitor of the US.

    8 YEARS AGO: Joe Biden lied in a debate and claimed the Obama-Biden Administration wasn’t aware of requests for more security in Benghazi.
    They knew, and their negligence resulted in Americans losing their lives. State department knew about the requests and an SD official testified on the hill about it.
    Benghazi betrayal, a tragic terrorist act.

    More:
    Some info circulating, and I don't know much about its validity.

    CIA whistleblower Alan Parrot has documents and information.
    Info can be found of Alan Parrot with Congressman Weldon, and Osama, Obama, Biden in a simple search online.
    Iranian money 152 Billion to coverup the execution of seal team 6.
    I read that WH has been briefed about it as documents provided.
    I listened to the interview.

     
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2020
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

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  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    President Trump has probably told more lies in the past week than Biden has in the past 8 years. I know the difference is that you want to believe Trump's lies but like to agonize over the few Biden lies from 8 years a go or longer but that still does not blur the line between a pathological liar and a politician.
     
  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    What? He DID?

    Well, he better get on the stick, because he has about 19,999 to catch up.
     
  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    That's all you have to say?
    How about the failure in his job- Our Benghazi's failure to secure our people there is on Hilary, Biden, and Obama.
    Someone was sleeping on the job. No wonder Putin knew when to take over Crimea.
    But if it gave you an impression that we need to that far, then it's a wrong impression.
    He lied recently when he was denying knowing his son's activities as it related to China and Ukraine.
    Impossible for him not to know.

    Benghazi's betrayal is sufficient to look into if these people should be where they are.
    Maybe due to documents becoming available, we will know more, and the deal with Iran with hundreds of millions sent to Iran.
    Seal team 6 etc etc. Isis was out of control under Biden's watch.
    And now he will pave the way for Marxists and the power grab that is planned by the radical left.
     
  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    That's all you have to say?
    How about the failure in his job- Our Benghazi's failure to secure our people there is on Hilary, Biden, and Obama.
    Someone was sleeping on the job. No wonder Putin knew when to take over Crimea.
    But if it gave you an impression that we need to that far, then it's a wrong impression.
    He lied recently when he was denying knowing his son's activities as it related to China and Ukraine.
    Impossible for him not to know. And if the emails and the drive will be proven to be authentic,
    brace your self.

    Benghazi's betrayal is sufficient to look into if Biden should be a commander and chief.
    Do you have loved ones in the military or serving abroad?
    And this is the Commander and Chief you will for them? Oh boy, what blind faith can do to healthy reasoning.
    Maybe due to CIA documents becoming available, we will know more, and the deal with Iran with hundreds of millions sent to Iran.
    Seal team 6 etc etc. Isis was out of control under Obama/Biden's watch.
    And now he will pave the way for Marxists and Radical Democrats the biggest power grab that is planned by the radical Marxist, Socialist left.
     
  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    First I don't believe your accusation that it is a lie, a misstatement at worst. The nonsense about Biden's son is another of your silly bogeymen, as is the Iran nonsense, as is the ISIS nonsense, as is the Marxist nonsense.

    Second, talking about loved ones in the military, Donald Trump is the dishonorable person that calls them suckers and losers.

    Third, instead of Trump using science to do what is best to deal with the pandemic our President has tried to bully the scientists and LIE his way out of this pandemic. Too many fools repeat his lies, believe his lies, feed on his lies, embrace his lies, live his lies. You and fellow Trump cult followers live in a fantasy world made up of his web of lies. Look at the Trump rallies taking place with few people wearing masks and all crammed together spreading Covid19 around the whole country! Compare the mortality rate of western European countries like Germany's Covid19 mortality rate to the USA and Trump's web of lies has cost the USA over 150,000 American lives! So don't give me some nonsense about oh 8 years ago Joe Biden told a lie that cost American lives. It is complete nonsense.

    150,000 Americans dead and growing because of this President's lies about Covid19. Yesterday he falsely claimed that 85% of the people wearing masks catch Covid19. What kind of stupid lie is that? These lies and hundreds of thousands of deaths is the reality of this administration whether you want to face it or not.
     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill, are you from planet Earth and live in the USA?
    Ground control to Bill H.

    Late January, remember, Biden had said the China travel ban that President Trump enforced was hysteria and xenophobia. Trump saved lives, your guy would cost Millions of US lives.
    Early February Biden sent out his campaign to say this is less lethal than SARS, and is, quote, “probably not a serious epidemic.” Mid-February he said, quote, “We don’t have a COVID-19 epidemic.
    We have a fear epidemic.” By late February they were saying, quote, “It’s like flu and it’s gonna dissipate with warmer weather and move to the southern hemisphere.” And, quote, “Masks are not going to help,” end quotes.
    Early March he opposed the European travel ban. Would have cost if he was in charge possibly millions of lives.
    Biden is also the guy that presided over in the Obama-Biden administration over depleting the national strategic stockpile of the PPE.
    His plan was delivered, all six things in it were things that President Trump and his administration had already done.

    President Trump closed the travel from China way before your comrades even understood how dangerous this virus was.
    I followed the developments. Yes, some things that we know today maybe could have been done even better. Like governors and mayors who packed the elderly the highest risk in infected facilities. Yes, some statements shouldn't have been made, such as the virus will be gone by April.
    Trump didn't cost Americans lives, he saved millions of Americans by taking action early to limit travel, etc.

    The science was changing as we learn more about this virus. Also, numbers reported by mostly blue states were inaccurate at the minimum, and the politicization of the COVID 19 mostly by Dem's is obvious.
    Every bit of said above is absolutely true, and everything Biden and you were accusing Trump of doing by not caring and making wrong moves and so forth were also just dead wrong,
    as dead wrong as Biden’s claims on what Trump said about the neo-Nazi skinheads and the white supremacists at Charlottesville.
    The balanced approach didn't kill the US economy.

    Benghazi happened on Biden's watch this is simply a fact maybe he was asleep while requests from Begazi got ignored.
     
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2020
  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I am a retired Air Force officer. So is my wife. The rest of your post can just stand on its own. Pass.
     
  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    It wasn't "Biden's watch." Biden was vice-president when it happened.

    Nothing notorious happened in Benghazi. There was an attack. Four government workers were killed. It was tragic. But not scandalous.

    If we got the same results on Covid-19 as did Canada--CANADA!--we would have fewer than 100,000 deaths in total. (I say CANADA because they're right next door and have a comparably developed society. Our results more accurately compare to Mexico.) Right next door.

    So keep on carping about four tragic deaths. I'll keep in mind the 120,000 Trump has seen killed by his abject neglect.
     
  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Well based on how Biden responded (Biden had said the China travel ban that President Trump enforced was hysteria and xenophobia.) and since we are in elections time, I think that If Biden was in leadership we would have millions of deaths.
    President Trump's actions saved millions. The rest I posted in the reply to Bill.

    As to the terrorist attack on Benghazi, The scandalous part besides the initial coverup of the terrorist attack is that requests for adequate resources to the State Department to protect the facility
    got ignored. Joe Biden lied in a debate and claimed the Obama-Biden Administration wasn’t aware of requests for more security in Benghazi.
    Is US VP a symbolic position or it comes with responsibilities?

    I always told my friends and colleagues that when Obama/Biden took over they inherited a failed economy, the housing market crash and I think they did a good job turning that economy.
    I knew people who would have been homeless if not for the extended almost 2 years of unemployment benefits among bailout of some industries etc.
    Ironically our/my family's most stable years in therm of employment were during the Clinton presidency, Obama Presidency, and Trump Presidency. I did somewhat OK during Regan's presidency (end of the first term and during the 2snd term.)
    The most turbulent times for us were during Bush SR and son GW Presidencies. Involved relocations for the job, yet it's not an indicator just my experiences.

    As to your and your wife's service, I salute and thank you.
     
  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Biden said no such thing about the China travel ban. Almost everything you have asserted this morning indicates that you are living in Trump's web of lies.

    The population of the USA is just over 4% of the world's population. Yet we have over 20% of the Covid19 deaths. You repeat Trump's stupid lie about saving saving millions of people.

    I'll try to help you rejoin reality at least in small part. I'll make it easy for you https://www.factcheck.org/2020/07/trumps-misleading-comments-on-biden-and-the-coronavirus/ I strongly suggest that you be more critical of the pathological liar's statements. They are most likely false or misleading. Sorry, but you are being foolish to believe them and to repeat them. Getting one's news and views of the world from the President's twitter feed and social media is really not a good idea. My wife is a life long Republican. We rarely discuss politics. She gets most of her news watching Taiwanese TV. In Taiwan it is a national news story if anyone comes down with Covid19. The story is updated daily as the government goes through the contact tracing steps. She knows that Trump is a horrible President. She voted Democrat for President for the first time in her life this year.
     
  16. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    You have no evidence to support this contention and a lot of evidence to the contrary.
    This was a useless move--AS WAS REPORTED AT THE TIME! The virus was already here. Plus, exceptions to this "ban" still allowed for tens of thousands of exceptions to enter the country, back when we didn't have any methods for screening them. Fail.

    These are not true. Benghazi was investigated NINE TIMES by Republicans in Congress. No one came to the conclusions you offer.

    Thanks, Bill.
     
  17. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Wow! Massacre! Latest score from the Roman Colosseum: Lions ~28, Lerner 0. :eek:
     
  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    CNN fact-checker Daniel Dale snapped to attention.
    “The intent of Biden's ‘xenophobic’ comment was murky,” “He never explicitly called the travel restrictions xenophobic; he did make a xenophobia allegation the same day the restrictions were announced, but it wasn't clear if he even knew about them at the time.” Dale asserted.
    Tweet Biden posted Feb. 1, the day after the Trump administration announced travel restrictions on people who were in China 14 days prior to their attempted entry into the United States.

    In my view, Biden clearly opposed the White House’s China travel ban.
    Biden tweeted: “We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering.
    He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency.”
    I sound to me that the travel ban decision was xenophobic and hysterical.
    It also can be that Biden did not explicitly tie xenophobia to the travel restriction. There is a way to try to explain this difference.

    Benghazi investigations -
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-usa-idUSBRE89815N20121009

    U.S. officer got no reply to requests for more security in Benghazi

    The officer, Eric Nordstrom, who was based in Tripoli until about two months before the September attack, said a State Department official, Charlene Lamb, wanted to keep the number of U.S. security personnel in Benghazi “artificially low,” according to a memo summarizing his comments to a congressional committee that was obtained by Reuters.

    Nordstrom also argued for more U.S. security in Libya by citing a chronology of over 200 security incidents there from militia gunfights to bomb attacks between June 2011 and July 2012. Forty-eight of the incidents were in Benghazi.

    A brief summary of Nordstrom’s October 1 interview with the Republican-controlled House Oversight and Government Reform Committee was contained in a memo prepared by the committee’s minority Democratic staff.

    yuou can read the rest.

    Obama/Biden falure in bengazi.
     
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    CNN fact-checker Daniel Dale snapped to attention.
    “The intent of Biden's ‘xenophobic’ comment was murky,” “He never explicitly called the travel restrictions xenophobic; he did make a xenophobia allegation the same day the restrictions were announced, but it wasn't clear if he even knew about them at the time.” Dale asserted.
    Tweet Biden posted Feb. 1, the day after the Trump administration announced travel restrictions on people who were in China 14 days prior to their attempted entry into the United States.

    Biden used the phrase “xenophobic” in reply to a Trump tweet about limiting entry to travelers from China and in which he described the coronavirus as the “Chinese virus.”

    In my view, Biden clearly opposed the White House’s China travel ban.
    Biden tweeted: “We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering.
    He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency.”
    I sound to me that the travel ban decision was xenophobic and hysterical.
    It also can be that Biden did not explicitly tie xenophobia to the travel restriction. There is a way to try to explain this difference.
    So Biden called Trump xenophobic and thus the travel ban is xenophobic.

    Benghazi investigations -
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-usa-idUSBRE89815N20121009

    U.S. officer got no reply to requests for more security in Benghazi

    The officer, Eric Nordstrom, who was based in Tripoli until about two months before the September attack, said a State Department official, Charlene Lamb, wanted to keep the number of U.S. security personnel in Benghazi “artificially low,” according to a memo summarizing his comments to a congressional committee that was obtained by Reuters.

    Nordstrom also argued for more U.S. security in Libya by citing a chronology of over 200 security incidents therefrom militia gunfights to bomb attacks between June 2011 and July 2012. Forty-eight of the incidents were in Benghazi.

    A brief summary of Nordstrom’s October 1 interview with the Republican-controlled House Oversight and Government Reform Committee was contained in a memo prepared by the committee’s minority Democratic staff.

    So the blame is with the State Department deputy?
    This happened on Obama/Biden/Hillary policy and on their watch.

    So did the Russian ? Ukraine Crimea annexation. Putin knew the weak president and weak WH.
     
    Last edited: Oct 17, 2020
  20. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    duplicate
     

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