Tea leaves?

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by nosborne48, Aug 24, 2020.

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  1. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The group you mentioned with another group just rioted all summer and still creating chaos and burned a lot of businesses, property, and beat up, hurt people, drivers, policepeople, etc.
    Last weekend Seattle.
    They did a lot of damage in their own way. Violence is unacceptable. It becomes a vicious circle.

    I call it as it is be it left or right.
     
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    And that's a diplomatic way of putting it.
     
  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I really don't believe this is true. I don't think that white Presidents identify first as white and then American. Was LBJ thinking of whites when he got the civil rights act of 1964 passed? No. It is not true for white Presidents, why would it be true for non-white Presidents. At its core I think it is a rather racist attitude. As I mentioned before, my parents were racist. They really didn't think they were racists but I quickly learned at about the age of 17 that they were after making a black friend. They were Democrat politically. After the 1964 civil rights act they started switching their views to Republican, like most racists have over the years. Prior to 1964 most racists were Democrats, today they are mostly Republican. I remember my mother being very concerned in 2008, She said, if Obama is elected then he will only help black people.
     
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    He (Flynn) is guilty of a felony and he betrayed both his country and his oath. He confessed twice to his crimes, then reneged on the plea deal he negotiated. Nothing "left" or "right" about any of that.
     
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  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    On the surface, it appears this way.
    Once you look deeper you see irregularities that point to investigative misconduct.

    Notes revealed:

    “What’s our goal? Truth/Admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?”
    Sidney Powell, Flynn’s attorney, said of the documents, “It’s just absolutely appalling what these agents, and then special counsel operatives, did to General Flynn.
    It’s abuse of their authority at every turn.”
    Lawyers now say they believe this document supports their case to reverse his plea, citing investigative misconduct.
    The news reports state: It also revealed Biden was involved in getting Flynn using Logan Act.
    Comey admitted his decision to send FBI agents for the interview in question with Gen. Flynn was not standard practice.
    Comey said the interview was “something I probably wouldn’t have done or maybe gotten away with in a more … organized administration.”
     
  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Well, if his attorneys say he's a stand up guy, it must be true.
     
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  9. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Nothing in there that really contradicts what Rich said. It is just whining about how unfair it is that Flynn was caught.

    Flynn is guilty of a felony and he betrayed both his country and his oath. He confessed twice to his crimes.
     
  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    At the minimum, this needs to be examined, and the due process conducted.
    If there is evidence of wrongdoing, should it be ignored?
    Didn't AG recommend to remove the charges?
    Many think Mr. Flynn is a stand-up guy not because of what attorneys say but because of his service to the country. He was caught in the political crossfire
    and Soviet-style coordinated entrapment.
    Let the AG and Judicial system bring this case to closure. The outcome of the trial etc.
     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    In a free country, you entitled to your opinion.
    AG and Justice Department seems to disagree with you and Rich.
    And obviously Lying to the FBI is a felony.
    The process still has to be fair and legal.
    Half a county if not more think the Impeachment of President Trump was a sham a political linch job by the left and so was the process instrument of Mr. Flynn.
     
  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Oh, I think that source is rather compromised these days. Besides, they don't contest the fact that Flynn lied to the FBI. Irrespective of whether you think what he did should be prosecuted, he's still a traitor.
     
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    We all have an opinion, I also had an opinion when AG Lynch Secret during the Hillary Clinton investigation "mater" met with Bill in the airplane and talked about grandchildren.
     
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The more interesting debate is whether or not Bill Barr will continue to follow in John Mitchell's footsteps all the way to jail.
     
  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    You're comparing Bill Clinton talking to AG Lynch and Michael Flynn selling out his country? Seriously?

    Here are some facts. You DON'T know what President Clinton and AG Lynch talked about. Frankly it didn't matter WHAT they talked about. But YOU DO KNOW that Michael Flynn sold out his country and is a traitor. The facts of the Flynn case are NOT in dispute.
     
  16. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I agree with you about Flynn, but... a secret conversation with the Attorney General when his wife was under federal investigation? Come on.
     
  17. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Lynch recused herself from the Clinton case.
     
  18. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Steve, it was hardly a secret. After all, everyone knows about it. Remember, too, that Bill Clinton had no official status at that point. He wasn't in office anymore. Even if his conversation with her was about influencing her regarding his wife, he was certainly free to do that. I'm not saying it was, and I'm not saying it would be right. But even if he tried to influence her, it wasn't a crime or violation of policy.

    I'm much more concerned about a president who lies constantly, sells us out to the Russians...AND the Chinese, who starts counterproductive trade wars, kowtows to dictators, violates the Constitution on a daily basis (that's a fact, not hyperbole), and threatens to prevent a peaceful transfer of power if he loses the election. Some old conversation between two old friends--whatever the subject--is hardly anything in comparison.
     
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I don't know what Flynn did that you call him a traitor? I understand the lying to the FBI as a crime.
    But what did Flynn do to betray his country?
    What am I missing, I know he met with Russian and attended an event, consulting money I read.
     
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    We should also mention the fact that Trump has apparently pressured Barr to reduce Stone's sentence and let Flynn go. Which contrary to Bill Clinton talking to Lynch is illegal. This is why Barr denies the obvious that he is being pressured by Trump.
     

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