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  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Lerner, I'm really sorry but you do have a paranoid unrealistic view of the Democratic party, Joe Biden and our country. Unfortunately you also seem to show no interest is correcting these misconceptions on the contrary, you seem to revel and thrive on demonizing the Democratic party, Joe Biden and a big part of our country.

    It's because of these kind of effects Donald Trump has on his fervent supporters and a couple of other personality faults Trump has that, I believe, the country would be far better off with anyone else (Republican or Democrat) that has run for the Presidency since probably George Wallace.
     
  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Stanislav, your personal attacks, on me, are not cool. And yes I'm an American even if I wasn't born here and my children are American, I love the USA.
    We can argue on substance, on issues, etc.
    I have no doubt for a moment that the left is out to destroy the US as we know it. As it was founded. The keyword as founded.

    As a conservative, I want the Constitution to be protected from the left. The Left wants to rewrite it. The Left wants to make a lot of radical changes.
    Keep Marxists away from leading this country.
    Majority of the liberals have strong desires for the following among others:

    Remove existing statues of white men from public spaces until the stock of statues matches the demographics of the population as it is today.
    Rewrite the history taught in schools to reflect the demographics of the population and heritage of Native people and citizens of color.
    Change our public parks to return to their natural state, before a European sense of order was imposed upon them.
    Gradually replace many older public buildings with new structures that don’t perpetuate a Eurocentric order, until a more representative public space is achieved.
    In addition, majorities of liberals want to destroy Mount Rushmore and rename the streets and neighborhoods according to racial quotas.
    Renaming the United States of America something “that better reflects the contributions of Native Americans and our diversity as a people.”
    And many more radical changes.

    If this is not destroying the USA as it is today?

    As to Pharisees, as your pointing to me that I'm a self-righteous, it may appear this way to you.
    But you don't know me, and I have nothing to be shame of.
    I want what is best for my country the USA.
     
  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    "Five Feet High And Rising"

    My mama always taught me that good things come from adversity if we put our faith in the Lord.
    We couldn't see much good in the batsh!t when it was causing us to have to leave home,
    But when the batsh!t went down, we found that it had washed a load of rich guano deposits across our land. The following year we had the best cotton crop we'd ever had.
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ (verses)

    How high's the batsh!t mama?
    Five feet high and risin'
    How high's the batsh!t papa?
    Five feet high and risin'

    Well, the rails are under batsh!t north of town
    We gotta head for higher ground
    We can't come back till the batsh!t comes down,
    Five feet high and risin'

    Well, it's five feet high and risin'...

    Apologies to Batman and the late, great Johnny Cash - an American original... :)
     
  4. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

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  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    For a perspective on how neither extreme--governmental control nor unfettered markets--serves a society, consider reading Governing the Market by Robert Wade.
     
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill, I disagree, in our days my views are realistic. The left is highly Marxist. Your views possibly are centric for your party, I can't tell if there are any conservatives left in the Democratic party.
    I don't think you see the radical changes in the Democratic party, even from Obama's presidency till today.
    A small academic survey among young liberals. When I speak with friends and relatives who support the Democratic party these issues come up increasingly and they are not what I would support.


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  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Bill to self, yes paranoid and unrealistic but it's not the worst is it? I mean look at many of his Trump supporting comrades believing in QAnon alleging that a cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles running a global child sex-trafficking ring is plotting against President Donald Trump, who is battling against the cabal, and that Trump is planning a day of reckoning known as "The Storm" in which thousands of members of the cabal will be arrested. [Wikipedia] Now that is really Looney Toons. (Apologies to folks not as old as Bill that may not know what Looney Toons are. He's just talking to himself anyway so please forgive him. Or is it me?)

    Crap Bill, thanks for trying to make me feel better but you just made me feel even worse.
     
  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Okay, because it's you, I ordered it. My reading queue is really long, though, so don't expect a quick review.

    Actually, I just looked at the pile, and wow, I really do need to set aside dedicated time for reading non-fiction.
     
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I'm the opposite. At least a dozen in the queue, all non-fiction. But....yeah.

    The book is all about the "Asian Tiger" phenomenon, where countries like Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea, and (to some extent) Japan became economic powerhouses through capitalism managed and directed by the government towards societal aims, transforming each from a low-skill, low-wage agrarian society towards high-tech, high-paying work. There are no depictions of quidditch games, however.
     
  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I'm not talking about the issues but since you mentioned it you may want to ask the lady - Virginia Roberts Giuffre who claimed in a 2015 lawsuit that she was a “sex slave” for Epstein, and that she was abused in his homes in New York, New Mexico, Florida, and the U.S. Virgin Islands.
    The flight logs show names of the passengers numerous times on Epstein’s “Pedo Express”,

    As to the previous survey results.
    Despite these depressing results, it’s still possible to “resist the woke steamroller that’s trying to iron out American distinctiveness.
    Americans who have more recently emerged from U.S. education institutions were more likely to support these radical changes. Unfortunately, my kids were brainwashed by the liberal universities they attended
    minus one who studied online and earned an online degree, he is much more down to earth in his political views.

     
  11. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    This sort of comment sounds like antediluvian nonsense to most young people, and it's not because of "liberal universities", it's because they're much more demographically diverse than previous generations.
     
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  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    A silly poll about silly proposals that have nothing to do with Marxism nor anything to do with Biden's proposals nor any of the topics being seriously discussed in the politics of today is apparently causing our dear Degreeinfo colleague distress. Just another apparent example of a paranoid unrealistic view of our beloved country? If I was a religious fellow I would pray for him.
     
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I hope BLM or the other one doesn't burn any more businesses, police departments, courthouses, etc but let's see what happens in a month from now.
    Post-Floyid riots should be addressed, not by defunding police or releasing armed gangsters after shootings in NY, etc.
    Paranoid? Absolutely.
    And there is a good reason for it.
     
  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Since books are discussed, here is one :)

    A President Like No Other: Donald J. Trump and the Restoring of America.
    by Conrad Black.

    Probably the first history book about President Donal Trump.
     
  15. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Why not? If my backyard compost pile can digest crabgrass it can probably handle that.
     
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  16. felderga

    felderga Active Member

    I normally don't venture into political conversation here on DI however I do disagree with concepts over not expanding US History to be more inclusive. Yes I'm firm believer in efforts like the 1619 Project and the need to re-evaluate the removal of statues and renaming of public spaces. Yes the founding fathers did great things but fact of the matter it was ordinary citizens both white and black (along with native americans) that really shaped our society (including the good and bad aspects).This insecurity by many far-righters is scary and disturbing. Looking back at undergraduate studies at UC Irvine in the mid 80s I was frustrated when taking a year-long survey courses in Art History covered very little outside of Europe and America (just a small bit on Egypt but nothing really on India, China, and Latin America) as if art and architecture didn't exist or matter anywhere else. The sin of slavery needs futther discussion and understanding and put into a more proper perspective. The slave industry was a key backbone of the US economy even after the Civil War (sharecroppers where still lived under slave like controls and conditions). Thanks to Ancestry.COM I've been able to connect the dots for many branches in my family tree including those stories of individuals that fought in all major US wars (both slaves and slaveowners that are part of my DNA). Many of my ancestors were brought from various parts of western Africa their stories matter just as much as my European ancestors many of which were slave owners or farmers (who had children with women of African decent).

    As a lifelong moderate democrat (and proud member of the NAACP) I do support those pushing a more progressive and inclusive agenda. So obviously I do feel sorry for those that support Donald Trump (Dinesh D'Souza and the rest of the QANON gang). I always have and will continue to support and respect those conservatives who are more open minded leaders like George Bush, Colin Powell, John McCain, Jeff Flake and John Kasich (whom I would consider voting for if he were on the ballot). We can disagree on economic and policy issues. However where we should all draw the line is on hate and deception. We are the melting pot and we should celebrate all cultures and contributions.

    Anyhow sharing a link as I'm proud that my undergrad university is embracing the 1619 Project along with other educ ational efforts that seek to promote a diverse and inclusive perspective on the American experience.

    https://humanitiesforall.org/features/why-the-1619-project-matters-in-2020

    Education is a great thing as mind is a terrible thing to waste...
     
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  17. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Don't do it, Steve. Don't put toxic materials in your compost. Not a great idea.

    Trump and Black go back a long way. Conrad wrote a puff-piece in 2005 on how his friend Donald was such a great guy. More on that in the article below. Looks like Black has received his reward. The President was so pleased with the book he immediately pardoned Black for the fraud conviction that he served 3 1/2 years in jail for. Sad to see a man as erudite as Black - and an excellent writer - reduced to currying favor with old friends.

    Lord Conrad Black of Cross Harbour? Just call him CON.

    "Donald Trump has pardoned Conrad Black, the former media mogul who owned the Daily Telegraph and the Spectator before being jailed for fraud, shortly after he wrote a book praising the US president."

    Whole thing here: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/may/15/conrad-black-trump-pardons-ex-media-mogul
     
  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Indeed. That's what we're trying to do in Canada. Our Prime Minister is solidly behind the effort, and I believe his speech and actions show that. I'm not 100% thrilled with the guy, but he gets some important things right - including this.

    It's not easily accepted by all. We have our white supremacist groups etc. Nasty, but pretty small-potatoes usually. We have snarky, rude people who go out of their way to offend minorities. All that... but I think we're farther down the road than a lot of places. It's gonna be a while -- a LONG while -- but I think we'll make it. We still have a long way to go - particularly with the wrongs done to indigenous Canadians.
     
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  19. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I did a Google search looking for "American Liberals Supporting Pro-Diversity Cultural Deconstruction" and came up empty. Lerner, did you perchance see that on social media and get sucked in by Vladimir Putin's cohorts that are spewing lies?

    Lerner you asked about Conservatives in the Democratic party, yes there are. Here's a poll https://news.gallup.com/poll/275792/remained-center-right-ideologically-2019.aspx Conservatives are going down in Democratic party over the past few years but liberals are almost non-existent in the Republican party. I didn't read the whole article but I suspect a big part of that is that many conservative minority members are Democratic just because of the racism associated with the Republican party.
     
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  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Republican and Former CIA Director Michael Hayden endorses Joe Biden: 'Biden is a good man. Donald Trump is not.'

    https://news.yahoo.com/former-cia-director-michael-hayden-014600927.html


    A very powerful political ad. This is another Republican endorsing Biden for President. How many famous Democrats have come out to endorse Trump? Zero? I know the reason why. It's obviously because of the reasons that Michael Hayden lists in his endorsement but to sum up because 'Biden is a good man. Donald Trump is not.'
     

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