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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I don't trust that investigation of all left Dems lawyers. And the conclusion was that there was no Russian Collusion. If the Mueller team was balanced the report would come out even more friendly.

    But I don't have access to info the way you do, respectfully you know much more.
     
  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Hmmm. Let's see. The investigation was headed up by a Republican who was appointed by a Republican when the other Republican recused himself. It was supervised by the Republican who replaced the Republican fired by the Republican president. The investigation was of a Republican, and all the witnesses were Republicans. All the indicted and convicted persons from that investigation were Republicans.

    So, please remined me, what did the Democrats have to do with anything?

    This is false. The report documented more than 100 contacts with Russian officials. What the Mueller team could not do is establish a criminal conspiracy. And as the report states, this was because of the numerous instances of obstruction of justice committed by the president and his team. "Collusion," which is not a legal term, was well-established by the report's findings.

    You have EXACTLY the same information I have. I have no particular insight beyond what is in the public record.
     
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I meantioned earlier I dont hate or have personal anything against Biden.

    Biden frequently misstating his past.
    He claimed 3 degrees from college, later admited he didn't have 3 degrees.
    He claimed he was arrested when he traveled to meet with Nelson Mandella, later it was NY Times that discovered this lie.
    Issues with plegarism and got fail on his thesis? Was allowed to write new papaer.
    If you think the guy who made up getting arrested in South Africa, who falsely claimed to have marched in the civil rights movement
    is a good candidate? I don't.

    I can add more but will stop

    May the better candidate win.
     
  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Sources?

    And even if we stipulate that these things are true, are you sure you want to rely on lying as the discriminating factor? Because you'll need to come up with 19,997 more.
     
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Sources for Biden's "lies":

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51648166
    https://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/22/us/biden-admits-errors-and-criticizes-latest-report.html
    https://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/18/us/biden-admits-plagiarism-in-school-but-says-it-was-not-malevolent.html

    Over 20,000 false or misleading statements made publicly by Donald Trump since becoming president.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/07/13/president-trump-has-made-more-than-20000-false-or-misleading-claims/

    I used to have a link to the Washington Post "lie" data base. The interface has a nice little search function. I could do a search and it would return a list with the exact quote and the date and where the statement was made. Unfortunately I couldn't find that link. :-(

    Rich's statement about 19,997 more to go is slightly unfair though because Biden's statements were made years ago. The over 20,000 false and misleading claims for Trump are not over his whole life time but only over the past slightly less than four years.
     
  6. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Most of Biden's false/misleading statements were made years ago, as Bill relates. The "arrest" story, alleged about a 1970s S.A. trip, including a visit to then-imprisoned Nelson Mandela is a recent exception. Biden was forced to walk it back in Feb. 2020. I guess Biden's detractors could say "The pattern continues." Here's a source on that: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/28/biden-south-africa-arrest-118134

    As to who's the most energetic, dedicated BS artist, I'd have to say Trump, by a landslide. Not better "quality of BS" - just insanely more prolific.

    As Rich said, "may the best candidate win." (Best BS award bestowed separately?) May the best candidate win - because somebody has to, I guess. To me, this is more like an election nobody should win - but that's not allowed. To me, whoever gets in is the wrong guy - when somebody finds the right person - please let me know. I'd be very interested.
     
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  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The bottom line that I agree with is that President Trump achieved and done more in 47 months than Biden in 47 years.

    Biden lied about his son who received millions from China, Russia, and Ukraine. 2019, 2020. ( wire transfers and a lot of evidence).
    Is flat-out lying when he denies that his son Hunter took a massive payoff from the wife of Moscow former mayor. A wire of 3.5 million, from people who are strongly connected to Putin.

    Biden said his helicopter was “forced down” near Osama bin Laden’s lair in Afghanistan
    “If you want to know where al Qaeda lives, you want to know where bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me,” said Biden. “Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are.” In another speech, he claimed al Qaeda is “in the mountains between Afghanistan and Pakistan … where my helicopter was recently forced down.”
    Due to the storm, the pilot landed as a precaution, and a U.S. military convoy picked up the senators and took them to the main American airbase.
    “Other than getting a little cold, it was fine,” Kerry told the AP when asked about the incident. “We were going to send Biden out to fight the Taliban with snowballs,” he joked.

    Biden said he was a coal miner. While running for president in 2008,
    “I hope you won’t hold it against me, but I am a hard-coal miner, anthracite coal, Scranton, Pennsylvania,” Biden said. “It’s nice to be back in coal country. It’s a different accent [in Virginia], but it’s the same deal. We were taught that our faith and our family was the only really important thing and our faith and our family informed everything we did.”
    Biden referred to “my ancestors, who worked in the coal mines of Northeast Pennsylvania and would come up after 12 hours and play football for four hours.” That line was plagiarized from a speech by British politician Neil Kinnock, whose family actually did work in the mines.
    In 2004, Biden acknowledged that he did not have family members who worked in mining.

    Biden said he was “shot at” in Iraq. In 2007
    Biden said he called Slobodan Milošević a “damn war criminal” to his face.
    Joe Biden claimed twice recently that he met with Parkland, Florida, shooting survivors when he was vice president, despite the fact that he was already out of office when the attack took place.
     
  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Here is something for ya.

    VA's new MISSION Act updates were sent to veterans in May 2019

    Thanks to thousands of dedicated VA workers around the country and President Donald J. Trump's support for this historic reform, elements of the MISSION Act took effect on June,
    and veterans immediately began benefitting from the largest transformation in veterans' health care since the end of World War II.

    This achievement was met mostly by silence in the media -- which is as close as the press ever get to say, "good job."
    But because this revolution is likely to affect the health care decisions of millions of veterans for years to come, it's worth explaining how the MISSION Act has changed the lives of America's heroes for the better.
    At its core, the MISSION Act reflects the president's vision that veterans need to be at the center of their health care decisions. If it's too long a drive to the VA, if wait times are too long if we can't offer the services a veteran needs, or if it's simply in the best the medical interest of a veteran to use non-VA services, they can now seek care in their community.
    That change was a long time coming for our rural veterans, many of whom live nowhere close to a VA hospital or clinic. And it's much more than just an "extension" of the Choice program enacted under President Obama. That program was temporary, narrow, and incomplete, while the MISSION The act is permanent and will put a much broader group of veterans in the driver's seat when it comes to their health.

    I remember the serious issues that Veterans faced for decades, Obama admin tried to improve and did some work in that area, but they came short, veterans suffered.
    The MISSION Act also created an urgent care benefit that finally gives veterans what others have in their neighborhood -- access to nearby care to treat ailments that need immediate attention, like the flu or a sprained ankle. One veteran in Texas said this change is a "godsend" because under the old system, getting a sore throat treated meant a 45-minute ride each way to the VA.
    The MISSION Act is a welcome shock to that system in Washington DC that shows the Trump Administration is willing and able to buckle down and deliver real reform. Our veterans, who answered the call and fought for our freedom and our interests around the world, deserve nothing less.
    While more needs to be done, this is a huge improvement over decades of failed policies. While you can't please everybody, its an achievement whort prase.
    Biden wants to rely on the VA agency bureaucracy that failed the veterans for decades. The balance that he wants to have with VA affairs will kill the progress.

    President Trump has many achievements that the left media simply ignores and downplays.
    The rebuilding of the military on many levels, the conventional such as establishing Space Force and authorizing a boost to the military’s arsenal including 100 new F-35s, 165 new Abrams tanks, and two new Virginia-class submarines, etc. And in parallel smart investments in technologies and innovations — including in cyber, space, unmanned systems, and artificial intelligence — that will be necessary to meet the threats of the future.” On the modernization portion, Biden has the same views, on the conventual side, Biden prefers other approaches of moving and using existing resources.
     
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  9. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Yeezy for Prezideezy!!!!
     
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  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    And Kim for First Lady? You know -- you could do worse...
     
  11. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

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  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Its about as clear-cut as anything has ever been, and one of the choices is the absolute end of this country as we know it.

    I think President Trump is clear on issues such as Law and Order, Economy, Veterans, SCOTUS, Military, and many other issues.
    Its easier to be "popular and loved" than be strong and pursue the issues that there was earlier comitement to resolve.
    And when there are posts that repeat the left media disinformation I post the opposing info.

    Biden falsely claims Antifa is an idea, not an organization.
    For anybody who follows the news, there is no debate about this.
    Antifa cells have been perpetrating violence and vandalism for years.

    Also, acording to a new Telemundo poll, 66% of Spanish-speaking Americans believe that President Donald Trump came out on top in Tuesday night’s presidential debate against former
    Vice President Joe Biden, Newsweek reports. Trump by two-to-one, or 66% to 34%. Such a huge result is just stunning and a major turnaround from the last election result.
     
  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Sorry, but distinctions must be made.

    Oh, and theoretically, there can be a situation with no winner. If no candidate wins a majority in the Electoral College (possible if some states are in dispute over which slate of electors to certify), the House decides, with each state's delegation getting one vote. If, by fluke, that ends in a tie, they would continue to battle and broker until a winner was declared. If, however, that should go on past noon on January 20th, the Speaker of the House would have the powers of the presidency while the dispute continued unresolved. She would not become president, but would have presidential powers, and would yield them once a winner was determined by the House.

    In 1800 and again in 1824, the election was thrown to the House. In 1876, there was a mighty dispute over Electoral College slates of voters, eventually resolved through compromise. (Tilden lost to Hayes in return for Republicans abandoning Reconstruction and the removal of Federal troops from the former Confederate states, thus clearing a path for the Jim Crow era.)
     
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  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Sorry, but you make a lot of assertions without any support in reality and assume they're obvious to all.

    The Telemundo poll was unscientific. Citing it as evidence weakens your whole argument.

    Please provide any evidence you have that "antifa cells" actually exist. I'd be very interested in reading that.
     
  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    What a miracle! Mass memory erasure! They've forgotten all about "Bad hombres" and the Wall, the separation of children from parents when dealing with undocumented persons at attempted border crossings. And SO much anti-Hispanic speech and deeds -including those which have cost Trump four business partners, over the years! Notice, Lerner, I didn't say "illegal" persons. There is no such thing as an illegal person. Not in my country, anyway.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/06/latinos-trump-hate-crimes-el-paso
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/11/26/latinos-for-trump-supporters-hispanics-mexicans-attacks-immigrants-column/4224954002/
    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/9-outrageous-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-latinos_n_55e483a1e4b0c818f618904b?ri18n=true

    The opinion of the USA Today Journalist: Many of pro-Trump Hispanics are people who have been in US all/most of their lives and have done OK for themselves, with all the privileges America offers its own - and are fearful that newcomers - documented or otherwise - may cut into their pie.
     
  17. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I defer to your superior knowledge, Rich. Thanks for the lesson. I appreciate it.
     
  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I'm not a part of any agency that would investigate such movements/cells.
    So as a regular person, just like many all I have is reports on the internet and various media.
    For example, I heard multiple times on Ruch Limbaugh calling these cells.
    Also on the internet:
    https://www.theepochtimes.com/project-veritas-infiltrates-antifa-reveals-organized-training-in-violent-action_3376939.html
    US News
    Project Veritas Infiltrates Antifa, Reveals Organized Training in Violent Action.
    The reporter, who concealed his face on camera and didn’t reveal name spoke about his experience and the information he collected in a video Veritas released on June 4.

    Like many Antifa cells, RGA uses tech platforms to recruit, radicalize, and mobilize other far-left extremists; this particular cell has almost eight thousand Facebook followers. While big tech companies have been systematically censoring conservatives and right-of-center influencers, violent far-left groups appear to be free to openly violate ...

    Again, I'm using media nothing else and I can be wrong about many posts I post here and debate.
    I'm not an official activist for any party. Just a person with an opinion.



     
  19. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I guess it depends what you call a cell, Rich. I wouldn't "call cell" on anything Antifa. Your President surely would, though, it seems. From an article:

    "Antifa has no leader and no clear organization. However, there are organized, localized groups who have followings on social media, such as the Rose City Antifa in Portland, Oregon."

    Local groups yes - cells not so much, it appears. I think people who don't like them (incl. Donald Trump) use the word "cell" to convince others that Antifa is a "Terrorist Organization."

    Whole thing here: https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/06/11/what-is-antifa-trump-protests
    Another article here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/06/what-is-antifa-trump-terrorist-designation

    Has any Republican written a book yet about bogus secret societies? Confidential "Inside look" at "secret societies" that don't really exist as such - e.g. Antifa and Q-Anon?
    (Shhh - I'm Christmas shopping - a surprise present for Lerner. :) )
     
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  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Antifa is another bogeyman that Trump can use to get his supporters like Lerner and the Proud Boys all excited.
    FBI director says antifa is an ideology, not an organization
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/fbi-director-antifa-ideology-organization-73077727

    Trump supporters won't believe our FBI director on this because their minds are under the control of their cult leader who is a pathological liar.

    The FBI has stated that the real danger is white supremist groups like Proud Boys. Just a reminder that it was a white supremist that murdered all those people in Oklahoma City in 1995? .

    What did our racist President say when asked by Chris Wallace if he'd denounce white supremist groups? He told the Proud Boys to "Stand back and stand by" They are thrilled and pledge their allegiance to Trump and even put that quote in a new symbol for the group.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/proud-boys-celebrate-after-trump-s-debate-call-out-n1241512

    The Proud Boys were one of the primary organizers of the Charlottesville debacle a few years ago. You know where our racist President when asked to denounce the racism instead he said there was good people on both sides.
     
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