Accreditation of OUS Royal Academy of Economics and Business in Switzerland

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Studious_Eric, Jun 7, 2020.

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  1. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Eric, you might do well to have a look at the Heriot-Watt, Edinburgh Business School DBA.
    It's a known good school. Assuming 3 years of research, it's about GBP 23,000. Totally distance, they say.

    And no - I don't work there or have any affiliation with the school.
     
  2. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

  3. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    Hello!


    Have a look at https://anabin.kmk.org/no_cache/filter/institutionen.html. If an institution is not listed as H+ there, you might want to consider another one (or, more bluntly: RUN, dammit!!!)!
    And yes, the OUS you were talking about is - of course - not listed there. And even if UCN and Uni Azteca are listed as H+, their distance learning doctorates are excluded.


    Best regards,
    Mac Juli
     
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  4. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Good thing I read this. Forgot about the German exclusions, although they come as no surprise. I was about to suggest Universidad Central de Nicaragua as it's cheap for a "real" school - which has "real" accreditation-or-equivalent, (CONESUP), its ASIC sticker notwithstanding. Much cheaper than Euro or Brit. schools - 12-13k Euros and 2 years will earn you a DBA, as long as you have an MBA. 3 years combined MBA and DBA program if you don't, at about 20K euros. There are a couple of DI posters who have had good US mileage from UCN doctorates. I guess that's not the case in Germany.

    One thing I'm not comfortable with about UCN: Its assiduous partnering-up with other schools - offering dual degrees with those schools - some of which I feel less confident about than UCN itself. Some partner schools involved are Latin-American, some are Europe-based. I'm not singling out any particular school here as deficient. It's just that the vibe (to me) is too much like the famous (now-imploded) University of Wales consortium, which fell apart after its validation scheme for degrees from 200+ overseas programs, without sufficient oversight. If you graduated from Fazley College, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (business school run by pop-star Fazley Yakoob) or a school run by a Cambodian super-model - you got a U. of Wales - validated degree! For overseas students, it was too good to last. Someone blew the whistle -- and it didn't.

    My take: You get the UCN degree, it's good a lot of places outside Germany, although some people (who might be prospective employers) might wonder why you have a Nicaraguan degree, particularly if you don't speak Spanish or have never heard of their favourite coffee-shop in Managua. The other schools involved - mixed lot. Just show folks the UCN diploma.
     
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  5. Studious_Eric

    Studious_Eric New Member

    Snap! I actually have my MBA from Heriot-Watt. Was happy with their program and quality of distance learning. That was quite impressive back in 2002!
    This actual business school is called Edinburgh Business School. A bit sneaky... trying to assimilate itself with the University of Edinburgh, ranked 20 in the world...
    Nevertheless, Herriot-Watt is ranked highly in Civil Engineering (clue is in the name...) and also Economics. The Edinburgh Business School is unfortunately not right up there with UK’s top Business schools, such as Saed (Oxford) or London Business School, but is a well recognised university. No probs about credibility.
    Well... I thought I try something else... best stay with what my familiar alma mater...
     
  6. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member

    The UCN degree is good for personal development. I don't want to do any Doctorates for career advancement but rather for the title and the accomplishment that I earned it.
     
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  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    At 77, neither do I. Career advancement is the last thing I need! I retired at 50. Best decision (of the very few good ones) I ever made. In 2023, my retirement years will equal my working years (30 of each.) I'll still have only 17 forum-years at DI, though. Do they issue transfer credit for time I spent on other Education forums?
     
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  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    No. But your second and third points are. That's because they're irrelevant.

    Membership is CHEA is not the same as being an accreditor recognized by them. ASIC is not. ASIC accreditation has nothing to do with academics. It appears to be mainly about business operations and ensuring schools present themselves legitimately to foreign students. But they seem to struggle with that, even. Bottom line: being a member of CHEA is meaningless in terms of degree recognition. Being accredited by ASIC is meaningless in terms of degree recognition.
     
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Legality varies by jurisdiction.

    In most places and situations, calling yourself "doctor" is completely unregulated and therefore legal. But some are regulated and restrict the use of that title.
     
  10. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    If you're doing a doctorate so you can be called "doctor," I really don't want to exchange with you nor help you. Just go do what you want. No one really cares anyway. Knock yourself out.
     
  11. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member

    If you are doing a doctorate just for the title, the $1000 degree from University of Metaphysics/University of Sedona would do the trick but you have to be an ordained minister through the International Metaphysical Ministry to use the title legally. Some states may prohibit this though since the degree itself is not accredited. If you are looking for a legitimate program for professional purposes, you should stick with accredited degrees so the degree would not come into question later on.
     
  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    You don't need a doctorate to turn tricks. No formal ed. needed.
     
  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Sorry, but this just isn't true. There is absolutely no way that organization controls what one can and cannot do legally.
    I cannot imagine any state actually preventing someone from calling himself "doctor," no matter what the source of the doctorate (or no source at all). The state might take interest if the person is doing so to commit a fraud or in violation of some licensing standard. But generally? No.
    This kind of blanket statement isn't 100% accurate. Many people (millions) have used doctorates from unaccredited schools successfully and without controversy. But, IMHO, it is generally a good idea, especially since one does not know what the future might bring and how it may change.
     
  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The Swiss situation has been compared to the US situation. Each country maintains a list of properly recognized colleges and universities. The Swiss have a national governmental office that does this; the US uses recognized accrediting agencies. Yet in both, unrecognized schools can be operated legally. (In the US, a school can operate legally if its state government gives the okay. Some states have been much more stringent than others in this matter.)

    California was a hotbed for either nontraditional universities or degree mills, depending on your point of view. (Mine: a little of both.) Eventually, the state established a requirement that unaccredited schools authorized to operate had to have a statement regarding their lack of accreditation in their promotional materials and on their websites. It would be nice if all these "off-brand" schools (and programs within otherwise-recognized schools) carried such a disclaimer. It would go along way in shutting down these silly promotions.
     
  15. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member


    I agree with your points.... The legality of the Metaphysics/Sedona degree as far as using the credentials is due to religious exemption. As far as the state preventing someone from calling themselves "doctor", I meant if it was used for employment purposes then it would be an issue. The degrees themselves are legal if they are at a minimum state approved or originate from religious organizations.
     
  16. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member

    ;):)
     
  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Degrees are not "legal." Schools might or might not legally operate. The USE of the degree is what can get you into trouble.

    You could make up your own fake university, print up a doctoral diploma, and put both in your LinkedIn profile. None of that is illegal. Sell one to someone else? That behavior would be illegal, but the recipient could do the same thing and not be in trouble.

    Use it to get licensed as a marriage counselor? You're the one in jeopardy--but for the fraud, not the fake degree.
     
  18. Johann766

    Johann766 Active Member

    I dont know why but there are a few schools that come up again and again in this degreeinfo Forum and ous ist definately one of them :D

    I dont think that this school is a mill and I do believe that their joint/dual degrees with other schools do have some value in the Job market however way less less than a state-recognised degree of course.

    I dont like the newspaper article neither, it is obvious that the author wanted to write a click bait scandal diploma mill article even before he started looking into the school.

    However this school is always trying hard to make it seem like they are more than they actually are.
     
  19. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Yes UCN and Azteca will not be recognized in Germany or the UK for their distance programs. This is kind of ironic as many British schools work with foreign companies to offer the doctoral programs.

    My guess is that the logic is to prevent abuse, as these programs are not very expensive, you will have all the German and UK government officials getting these degrees for salary increase purposes if these degrees are recognized.
     
  20. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    It depends where you live. If you live in Africa, the Azteca or UCN degree might carry some value for job market purposes. If you live in Canada, besides recognized credentials from the US, Australia or some Western European countries, most of the DL credentials would be a very hard sell for job market purposes.

    The low profile PhD is mainly for self employment or salary increase purposes for adjuncts or CC teachers. If I am licensed psychotherapist with a MS degree, I can legally advertise myself as a PhD with a low profile doctoral credential. Most customers looking for psychotherapy won't ask where you got your degree but would be more concerned about license.
     

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