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  1. tadj

    tadj Active Member

    Stanislav,

    The DBA has some limited value in Poland. I would say that the MBA is a more popular qualification within Poland. None of them have real academic value, which is why these type of programs have been downgraded from real degree status to post-diploma professional qualifications. The Polish Academy of Sciences even ran the DBA as a degree for a brief period. This practice was stopped at a certain point. It was determined that this isn't a degree. The regulation for these programs isn't as strict as with a regular degree, although schools must follow certain guidelines in designing "studia podyplomowe."
     
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  2. tadj

    tadj Active Member

    The Polish public universities are seen as better, especially among the older generation. This perception is slowly changing with the arrival of high quality and highly-ranked private universities like Lazarski University, or Kozminski University. Higher schools aren't in competition with university-type institutions. They are in the realm of their own. They aren't ranked together with university-type institutions. Collegium is somewhere in that mix.
     
  3. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    "Doctorandus, abbreviated drs., is a Dutch academic title according to the pre-Bachelor–Master system. The female form is 'doctoranda' (abbreviated dra., though this abbreviation is no longer used). The title is acquired by passing the doctoraalexamen, traditionally a matriculation exam for admission to study at doctoral level." (it's from wikipedia)

    I think it's all interesting and not at all bad. It can be confusing, especially for people accustomed to the American/British system.
     
  4. tadj

    tadj Active Member

  5. tadj

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  6. tadj

    tadj Active Member

    Collegium Humanum's Doctor of Business Administration program has been accredited by AQ Austria, which is a full member of the European Association for Quality Assurance in Higher Education (ENQUA). It doesn't sound like a crap "religious DBA" type program. I've made the argument that it's a serious non-degree Doctorate title, which you can place after your name with full justification. Here's further evidence for the claim;

    https://www.aq.ac.at/de/ueber-uns/dokumente-ueber-uns/Taetigkeitsbericht_2018_Web.pdf?m=1559033882& (type: collegium humanum in the pdf)

    https://humanum.pl/pdf/de/AQ_Austria.pdf?_ga=2.85421083.368495385.1580501759-845144095.1580501759

    https://enqa.eu/index.php/enqa-agencies/members/full-members/
     
  7. tadj

    tadj Active Member

    It appears that the "degree", which is advertised by the partners of the Collegium Humanum may actually be based on Austrian accreditation. Something to consider. See the Doctor of Science on the list? I am not saying that this is the case. I am just wondering...
     
  8. tadj

    tadj Active Member

    AQ Austria also carries out accreditations abroad.
     
  9. tadj

    tadj Active Member

    When I translated the wording from the original language, it turned out that they had degree classification. That would be a game changer, so to speak.
     
  10. tadj

    tadj Active Member

    Speaking of countries with German as the official language, I also came across some info on the Slovak and Czech PhDr., although this may be a policy limited to Berlin and a few other places in the country. It looks like the small doctorate would be acceptable in those regions/cities ,as long as you wrote the title this way: PhDr. name/last name instead of Dr. name/last name.

    https://www.berlin.de/sen/wissenschaft/en/university-studies/artikel.711552.en.php

    I hold a “small” doctorate from former Czechoslovakia, Slovakia, or the Czech Republic (JUDr., PhDr., etc.). Am I allowed to use it by affixing “Dr.” to my name?
     
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  11. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I didn't say a thing about Poles, nor did I imply anything. I'm talking about customers of this thing, no matter who they are. It's dishonest to sell it and dishonest to use it in situations where it would be misconstrued.

    In the vast majority of the world, the DBA is considered a doctorate. Awarding something with the same title while (slyly) denying what it is really is deceptive. "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away."-- Tom Waits

    Poland is not unique in their rules. In Germany, one cannot use the title "doctor" from a US school unless it comes from a research university. Thus, I would not normally be permitted to use the title based on my PhD from Union. Their loss. But I would be able to do so based on my Leicester degree because it is a university in the EU. Or was. Or something. I don't really care; my German sucks.
     
  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    That would serve exactly....wait for it....no one. Hiring managers and HR departments wouldn't understand the distinction, but they might be put off at the oddness of it.
     
  13. tadj

    tadj Active Member

    Should it then be taken off the resume (assuming one holds the title)?
     
  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    That doesn't work in real life. People don't go around assuming there are exceptions that must be carefully sought out. It is incumbent on the person making the degree claim to do so without ambiguity and confusion. Sorry, but you continue to propose the use of this fakery. If that doesn't fall under the category of "shilling," I'm not sure what does.
     
  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    It is? Anglicized, it is the Czech Republic. In Czech, it is "Česko."

    (Who knew my 12 semester hours of Czech would come in handy?)
     
  16. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I hate those things. Same with "master's (or master) certificates." These are often tiny and have nothing--at all--to do with a master's degree, even when awarded by degree-granting institutions.
     
  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I have trouble accepting that premise. First, what is the thesis/dissertation requirement, if any? Second, what is the curriculum? Without that information, one cannot tell what this thing is. But what it is NOT is a doctorate, "mini" or otherwise. "Mini-doctorate" is an oxymoron, like jumbo shrimp and uncontested divorce.
     
  18. tadj

    tadj Active Member

    Rich,

    I am not going to disagree with your assessment from the HR standpoint. You may be entirely correct. Personally, I think that it's best to obtain qualifications that have full recognition and acceptance within one's place of living. That way, you won't face these problems. In Poland, the "studia podyplomowe" are a widely recognized qualification with employers. MBAs and DBAs are treated within that category. That's why I've said that I am not supportive of foreign students who attempt to get this Polish qualification. It might be meaningless in their countries, as you said.
     
  19. tadj

    tadj Active Member

    I am not an expert on the PhDr. I just gave it as an example of a qualification that falls outside of typical doctoral titles.
     
  20. tadj

    tadj Active Member

    On the other hand, it is more common for people to cross borders with their qualifications. The policy of "leave it off the resume, if HR doesn't know what to do with it" may be equally problematic. Maybe a disclaimer can sometimes work in the absence of positive credential evaluation. It is somewhat uncharitable to say that I am proposing fakery by suggesting this approach. I've always believed that a disclaimer was meant to clarify things. The fact that you don't like Master's certificates won't stop people from obtaining these type of qualifications in an era of increased micro-credentials. Are you saying that individuals should hide them?
     
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