Is feminism ruining gender relations in society?

Why or why not? I will post my thoughts tomorrow morning.

 

Um, we await your thoughts with baited breath.

 

What does that phrase even mean?

 

"Bated breath is a phrase that means to hold one's breath due to suspense, trepidation or fear. Bated breath is a phrase first mentioned in Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice. The word bated is an abbreviation of the word abated, meaning to lessen in severity or amount."

 

But thanks for the fish.

 

Sorry, I am just not that active into the site yet.


Regarding my insight, this is my opinion.


I don't think the relations between men and women are being ruined remotely, rather that some of the fabric of 3rd wave feminism encourages competition between men and women as a way for women to feel empowered...

At it's most toxic expense, feminism literally teaches you that all men are egotistical assholes and blah blah

But on the other hand, I think now that there is more competition between the sexes this means for at least a better economy.

 

Done.

 

Also, another thing: Contray to the common notion, in my opinion feminism is not really about gender equality. Is really just about upping women to higher standards...

What this means is that women were never the sex to have as much societal pressures in society at all. Other than being a housewife and being able to cook for your man... Feminism encourages the idea of being a badass "empowering" because at least now the balance of toxic pressures to be tough and badass are getting inbetween there.


Is why women nowadays are getting piercings, tattoos and lifting muscle to prove their toughness, which unironically nobody even asks for, not even other female friends.


If we wanted a term for gender equality then egalitarian and even humanist make up for it. Both sexes will never be equal despite society's ongoing efforts, it would take transhumanism to make that happen.

 

At it's most toxic "expense", anti-feminist backlash inspired an actual act of terror here in Toronto, this April. I'll take the worst of the most heinous 3rd wave feminist "scholarship" over this any day.

I didn't read the feminist literature much, but it seems that at its substantial core the movement is based on better grasp of empirical truth than lots of its critiques.Fundamentally, life in the world is often better for males than females, in many blatant and subtle ways. And yeah, it's unfair, and suboptimal, for society as a whole. When men start denying this, they often sound incoherent, despite the supposed "logical gender" mythos. No offence, but you kind of sound this way to me.
Actually, take offence if you like.

Oh, one more thing: I never heard anyone argue that "all men are egotistical assholes", and suspect you paraphrase a lot. However, the society sure tries to raise males as egotistical assholes in many ways. It's a minor divine miracle it doesn't succeed in this more often.

 

Every single sentence here is wrong. Did you try debating this with actual feminists? If you didn't - don't start. They'll eat you alive.

By any chance, are you in IT? This sounds like a type of "social philosophy" a brogrammer or another STEM dudebro would spew.

 

Meh, I don't care if I have "male privilege" and I know the incident you're talking about.

However, sometimes I feel you need to have the right resources in order to cater to women's rights because of reproductive or educational issues...


And the reason why society raises men to be egotistical assholes has to do with the survival of the fittest, is that plain and simple.

Nope and I am being neutral-sounding as hell here.

I agree that there are some natural-earned benefits of being male, there's no denying that. But, that doesn't mean life for all men(especially of course straight white cis men) is 100% on easy mode.

I mean I could mention my obstacles including suffering disability, some minor racism(because being mixed race helps enough, right?), child abuse and since people want to make obesity issues politicized, then fatphobia...

Does that mean the naturally-applied benefits of being a man get in there? Sure I suppose


But remember women also have laws the protect them no matter what while men have to do most legal battles on their own. I always though sexism to be a 2-sided issue anyways...

 

Nothing can ruin gender relations more than the beating, raping, and controlling of women for hundreds of thousands of years. There are multiple schools of thought among feminists, and you're just describing one version.

Just because one might have disadvantages in one area does not mean that one does not have advantages in other areas. If one has...let's just use male privilege as an example...that does not mean that that person will never face any hardships. It means that the person is not likely to face hardships because he is male.

 

And that's why MGTOW and sex dolls are growing quickly, women no longer will have to worry about conforming to male sexual urges and satisfactions.

And the moment men and women become completely obsolete to eachother is the moment sexism issues become obsolete talk. Which includes even the notion of "male privilege"

 

BTW for anyone not familiar with the term

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism

 

So at this point through some sort of genetic engineering, women can be eliminated from at least menopause, menstruation and all those other reproductive system hardships, but I don't know if that's going to even happen in 50 years.

 

Well, you do have male privilege. And so do I. I'm also not particularly fired up to do much about it, but it is generally useful to have beliefs that reflect, well, reality.

However, sometimes I feel you need to have the right resources in order to cater to women's rights because of reproductive or educational issues...

Explain. I know a few guys who would be much more competitive if they weren't raised to expect stuff from the world just because they are male. Heck, I still have bad habits.

Yup, and so would computer dudebros. We tend to think that using neutral language and being "logical" perfectly replaces actually knowing what we are talking about. Also tend to think everything can be reduced to a few simple principles. Like "survival of the fittest". Plus general engineer's arrogance, but with even less justification.
I witnessed a dear friend lecturing his wife about, and I kid you not, breastfeeding and how it feels - and getting all indignant when she disagreed with him (from actual experience with their actual child, mind you). IT guy.

I don't know what you mean by "natural-earned", to be honest. I don't think it's a best word to express interviewers automatically assuming you're better at some complex field, or people paying more attention to you in meetings, can be described as "natural-earned". Or, for that matter, not having your input dismissed because "clearly, it's that time of the month for her". And this just scratches the surface.

Dude, I'm a clinically obese immigrant (twice over), last-wave (and therefore second rate) in my own community. Still, good to be male, Caucasian, and not from Syria. Even in Canada, which likes to boast so much about how tolerant it is. And, oh yeah, surely not suffering from a disability is a privilege as well, so I got that too.

Not sure what you mean here, but OK. Yes, of course, gender stereotypes can be harmful to a dominant group as well. Which partly explains higher rates of suicide and substance abuse.

 

Yeah. It is much easier to invent robot sex slaves than to teach a male about consent and stuff and how to keep it in our pants. As a stopgap for now, let's adopt Islamic dress code for women, that sure would make world more equal!

I'm amazed at how little male supremacy think of actual males.

 

Ok? And thought you were all for enviromentalism and reducing human population??? Yet here you are attacking a group for your own cause that barely even stands for male supremacy without doubt,
And maybe try talking to your liberal twots about that, but as long the multiculturalism card gets played they don't care...

Also ironic how you brought that up about Islamic dress codes, yet nowadays most women hit the wall faster than an F1 car. Kinda crazy.

 

You realize is only men in power who get those privileges, right?

To claim all men have privilege no matter what is a brash point.

There is already a double bias against black men in the courts for instance, yet instead of helping out with something like that you all just complain instead about how rappers demean and objectify women 24/7.

Oh and btw, I am raised by a feminist mom already, so I don't need the "Do you even know the main principles of feminism?" card on me.