Sexual assault claim leaves Kavanaugh nomination in limbo

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  1. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    This fiasco turned out exactly how it supposed to to turn out. Democrats on one side and the Republicans on the other. There were no advancement of anything. I did not followed the whole hearing today, but Feinstein seems genuine with that exchange with Cruz about not leaking the letter. Other than than it was political theater.
     
  2. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    And you keep pretending that it's a trial because...? If it were a trial, proper evidence collection (FBI investigation) would have been allowed beforehand.

    It was a job interview. And Bret the Mean Drunk didn't look good. Unlike Dr. Ford, who is not a political pawn (supposing that she told the story to her therapist 7 years ago as part of a plot to derail the Supreme Court nomination is Q-level idiocy).
     
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  3. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Yeah, Bret "The Mean Drunk" did not come off looking too good.
     
  4. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Stanislav, please note that it is called the Senate Judiciary Committee for a reason. The judiciary committee has been doing investigations, per the Constitution, since the inception of the United States, which is longer than the FBI has been in existence. The FBI was only recently created in the 20th Century to be an arm of the executive branch i.e. to be an arm of POTUS.
    Stanislav, a discussion with you is like having a discussion with a Russian bot. o_O
     
  5. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    With Justice Antonio Scalia being found dead with his face in a pillow (which is an odd sleeping position)... and now with death threats coming in against Judge Brett Kavanaugh... all Supreme Court Justices are to receive FULL TIME security details - (pending).
     
  6. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Could you quote the Constitution re: this, pretty please? Because I think the above is false; Unite States Senate Committee on the Judiciary is a committee charged with DOJ oversight and judicial nominations; not any kind of investigative body. In any case, it is pretty clear US senators are not LE officers and to use them as such would be monumentally inefficient
    Ditto.
    In fact, considering your information sources, you are an unwitting Russian bot at times. To make something like this stuck on me you should use Soros/Illuminati/"Cultural Marxist Cabal" or any other modern incarnation of the Elders of the Zion as your Bogeymen. Just a tip. Here, I'll help you: in high school I was taught by teachers who received stipends from Soros' Renaissance Foundation. True story. Of course, they taught Physics, but maybe some indoctrination was inserted into Newton's Laws and Carnot Cycle.
     
  7. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Stanislav, several variables apply: The FBI does not have the legal or jurisdictional authority to conduct a criminal investigation for sexual assault or battery in that scenario. Only localized law enforcement agencies have that kind of jurisdictional authority over criminal investigations i.e. municipal police, county sheriff or state police. It was all smoke and mirrors. However, as a foreigner, you're not expected to understand these American nuances.
     
  8. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Did anyone ask for criminal investigation? Aren't there statutes of limitation in place in California for offences of this nature? (I know those didn't apply to Roman Polanski, but that's because he fled a trial and is a fugitive: his guilt is established)
    What you're trying to obscure is that the hearing was not a trial, and FBI involvement would be for their expertise not judicial "jurisdiction" (because, again, there's no trial). The only trial-like element was that people were under oath. And it really looks like Brett C. did fib on occasion. That may be significant.
     
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  9. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Kavanagh is a big old whiner cry baby! :) Good day to you sirs! :) It's a beautiful one at that!
     
  10. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Stanislav, yes, there have been DNC calls for a criminal investigation.
    Stanislav, no, California does not have any any statute of limitations on events that allegedly happen in Maryland.
    Stanislav, the Senate Judiciary Committee is conducting a "civil hearing" and not a criminal investigation.

    Stanislav, yes, FBI criminal investigators may be used to ask civil questions, but it is not necessary because Senators can ask those questions themselves. That's what United States citizens elected Senators to do. In fact, the FBI was created in 1908 and prior to that, the Senate Judiciary Committee did just fine asking civil questions themselves. The actions of the Senators are grounded in the Constitution and not the MSM's fake news. o_O
     
  11. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Abner, the leftist smear campaign failed and the vote on Judge Kavanaugh is no longer in limbo. Cheers. :D
     
  12. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Ah, whatever. This incident will serve well in order to garner the yuge women voting bloc in November. bring in on baby! Time to go vote rather than just protest. Take them fries and stick em in your pie hole! :) ARRRRRRRR, I am a pirate matey. And it Friday to boot. The blue wave cometh! :) :) :) Oh, while I am at it, Kavanaugh sure is a whiner cry baby. WHAAA
     
  13. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    It's a Parliamentary hearing, me again. If it's a civil law matter, who are the parties to proceedings? is this a contractual or torts matter? If Kavanaugh is a party, what is the remedy he seeks (ie., if he prevails on facts and law, is he entitled to a job? that would be absurd)? If it's "civil" legal proceedings, does this mean the standard is preponderance of evidence (he may well fail that)? etc.

    The fact is, it's not something where "he said she said" doctrine may apply. It's a job interview. And normal applicant behaving like Kavanaugh did would fail; reasons he might not fail are purely political.

    P.S. most reasonable people would believe Dr. Ford over the aged bratty punk Kavanaugh. This is just fact; even Republican senators called her "credible" and "attractive witness" (also "pleasing", whatever that may mean). Before you start screaming about "ruining people's lives", remember that until Bernie can pass a universal job guarantee entitlement, no applicant is guaranteed a position. Bart O'Kavanaugh the Car Barfer has a seat on circuit court; that's plenty.
     
  14. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Stanislav, as a foreigner of Russian lineage who lives outside the borders of the United States, you will simply have to wait and see what we (the Americans) vote for. :)
     
  15. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    And by saying this, you finally admit that the Senate exercise is a political act in preparation for (partisan) vote, not any kind of investigation or trial; therefore, your pseudolegal jargon does not apply in the slightest. See, not that hard. And oh, as someone who took and passed a course on Criminal Law, I know enough not to engage in legal reasoning without any real knowledge. You shouldn't either.
     
  16. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Stanislav, you do not know what this writer's experience is with the law. However, thank you for sharing that you took a single college class in criminal law. Sitting through a class is vastly different than real-world hands-on experience. LOL :)
     
  17. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    Any reasonable person would believe Blasey Ford's named witnesses saying they know nothing of this party.
     
  18. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    You need to stop with this "foreigner" crap, seriously.

    Doubly so in that he knows what the role of the committee is, unlike you.
     
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  19. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    What Steve said!
     
  20. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    They weren't the ones who had a traumatic incident, were they now?

    What is your theory? If the whole story was concocted to damage this nomination, it should have been created before 2012 when she told this name to a couple's therapist. Back then the shadowy "Democrats" would have targeted... Graham, or Cruz, or maybe Paul Ryan? Why him?
    Dr. Ford is the more credible of the two. Bart the Rolf Club Contributor would probably not be indicted, but she is more credible than him.
     

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