Trump asking for Pardons

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  1. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    If there was the sliver of a scintilla of a sniff of solid proof that there was ANYTHING to these ridiculous, tinfoil-hat Russia conspiracy theories, it would have been breaking news on every major news network, then trumpeted 24/7.

    There is NOTHING. They will find NOTHING.

    The mainstream media is committing suicide before our very eyes. It's a fascinating, but also sad thing to watch. CNN's ratings are below reruns of cartoon shows, and despite all evidence to the contrary, they think that somehow, some way, bashing Trump constantly and relentlessly will somehow improve their stock.

    Insanity = Doing the same thing, over and over again, expecting a different outcome.
     
  2. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

  3. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

  4. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    Well, this is the Senate. And Glenn Simpson, head of Fusion GPS, is not at all cooperating.
     
  5. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    My understanding is that they will be questioned under oath and behind closed doors by the Judiciary Committee. Maybe something will leak out but we may not hear much of anything about their testimony.
     
  6. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    All of a sudden Giuliani and Trump are talking about the idea that Trump could pardon himself . . . not that he's guilty of anything . . . but he absolutely could pardon himself . . . for things that he never did . . . but I could if I wanted to . . . absolutely . . . I'm a very good driver . . .

    It would become a constitutional issue and so would wind up in the Supreme Court. Accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt so even if it's determined that he can actually pardon himself, he's admitting that he committed crimes and would almost certainly get impeached. He's clearly getting nervous.
     
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  7. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Perjury trap. If they can get you to talk enough then you will start contradicting your own statements.

    But consider this from law professor Glenn Reynolds: Note: If someone — Comey, McCabe, whoever — lied to Trump or his aides about what the FBI was investigating, that was every bit as much a False Statements Act violation as anything Flynn is accused of.
     
  8. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    All very interesting but entirely unrelated to the topic of pardons.
     
  9. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Very true! He is getting nervous!
     
  10. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    He should get coaching from Hillary, who has extensive experience surviving Benghazi hearings. Designed explicitly as perjury traps.
    Of course, I'm not sure her technique would work for someone who's actually guilty.

    That's neither here nor there. Assuming he's right, OK, sure; moreover, hypothetically, if Comey or McCabe mugged someone at knife point near ATM on their way to work, they'd be guilty of assault and robbery. This is a statement as true as it is useless.
     
  11. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    What I want to know is, given Kushner's involvement in the infamous Trump Tower meeting, how exactly did he finally get his security clearance and kept work at the WH? seems like POTUS-In-Law pulled a string of two.
     
  12. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Guilty of what?
     
  13. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Who, hypothetical someone? Can be anything. Say, obstruction of justice.
     
  14. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    There has obviously been no obstruction of justice.
     
  15. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    As the investigation remains active and no report has been written there can be no conclusion as to possible charges. That's the only thing that's "obvious."
     
  16. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    My only goal was to postulate that an innocent person might find it easier to survive a perjury trap. But if you want to exchange opinions on Donald J. Trump, fine. IMHO, regardless of whether he'll be charged with such, there's obviously obstruction of justice. In fact, they continue to do it. His whole operation is also obviously way too intimate with various foreign interests to be a cause of concern for anyone paying attention. Again, it's true whether or not anyone goes to jail.
     
  17. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    In fact, I am not completely sincere: not only goal. Other goal was to remind how Hillary R. Clinton was cleared of all wrongdoing by many, many probes. Unlike, eg. the guy who used to operate a fraudulent "university". Allegedly.
     
  18. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Via Twitter-

    Weeeeell, depends on which legal expert you ask. It's a bit surprising that the question is not as cut and dry as it should be, but ultimately I think he's wrong here.

    I wonder how the history books will address Donald Trump 200 years from now. "Trump's presidency was haunted by allegations of collusion with Russia. Historians are still investigating the matter and are confident that, eventually, incriminating evidence will be found."
     
  19. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    I can’t wait for Trump four-years to be over. It pains me to say it, but he is an idiot. So much valuable presidential time is wasted on nonsense.
     
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