Doctoral dilemma...

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by chrisjm18, Mar 30, 2018.

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  1. dlbb

    dlbb Active Member

    No problem. That was specific advice I was given when doing a teaching demo, and at which I was successful. I would look for specific information on teaching demos, rather than more generally on effective presentations. There are sources online and books that address the topic in more detail, and I looked at a few, and I believe the advice was similar.

    I am not sure if that course will necessarily improve your odds, but it couldn't hurt. Ultimately one needs to get some experience teaching before anything else is possible, so maybe that will help facilitate that if you are still in need of a faculty position at that point. I imagine if you keep actively applying and pursuing your doctorate, at some point you will get your break.

     
  2. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Yes, I will continue to actively apply for faculty positions. The rejections will not deter the pursuit of my goal. Since January 2018, I have submitted 52 applications for full-time faculty positions, 32 of which were submitted between March and May. Of those 32 applications, I have received 4 positive responses.

    "A luta continua."


     
  3. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

     
  4. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    Have you considered a JD degree? I had a friend who had that degree and taught both justice and business (rel estate law) courses in a CC.
     
  5. dlbb

    dlbb Active Member

    That is kind of late to apply, so perhaps that may have been part of it. Lack of Ph.D. may as well. I hope as you progress with your doctorate and particularly as you become ABD status, hopefully this will improve. I am in another field though, so my advice is more general and cannot speak to specific details of CJ.
     
  6. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the suggestion. However, I think a J.D. is even less valuable than having only a master's degree to teach criminal justice courses. I can't tell you how many faculty positions I've seen which state that a J.D. is not sufficient for the position or a J.D. alone won't meet the requirements for the position. I'm sure that a J.D. is only attractive to teach law courses and even so, I am sure you must have some practical law experience. A quick search of Google revealed that the lowest J.D. tuition for an out-of-state student is $18,732/year at CUNY School of Law. That's a total of $56 196 in tuition alone. I am on fixed on pursuing my doctorate in criminal justice at Saint Leo, a program with research courses, a dissertation and a price tag of $45, 000. Plus, I'll get a bonus "Dr." Thanks, again!

     
  7. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    I don't think it has anything to do with being late because I applied for all these positions within 3 days of them being posted. I check www.higheredjobs.com multiple times per day to keep up with the latest vacancies. Some of these positions are still accepting applications. Anyway, I'll keep submitting those applications until I get my foot in the door :)

     
  8. dlbb

    dlbb Active Member

    Good, tenure-track positions often will appear much earlier in the year, fyi, for when you get to that point.
     
  9. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Yes, I just noticed that. I saw two tenure-track postings last week and they are for the Fall 2019 start. That's a pretty long time to be doing a search.

    I guess I'm all set for the Saint Leo's journey. I paid my $250 seat deposit and signed my cohort agreement form. The form basically stipulates that the university will register me for my classes for the entire program since everyone in the cohort will go through the program together. I was registered for my first course, DCJ705 - Transformational Leadership, starting on August 20th. My first residency will be August 23rd - 26th at the main campus in Florida. I know the journey is not going to be easy but I think it will be worth it.

    According to Franklin University, 50% of doctoral students drop out before completing their degree. Here's a link to the full guide to completing the doctoral journey:

    https://info.franklin.edu/acton/ct/33226/s-004d-1803/Bct/l-000c/l-000c:30a/ct4_0/1?sid=TV2:LNqxSHyP8

     
  10. dlbb

    dlbb Active Member

    Yes, a lot of good tenure-track assistant professor positions at universities start to list in early fall. Applications are solicited. Some are given interviews via phone or at conferences, and those who are the top few candidates will eventually be invited for a campus visit, which will typically include an interview and teaching demo or presentation on one's dissertation work. You may not be competitive for assistant professor until you are ABD status, but there are of course other positions. Having teaching experience or publications can be beneficial, though that depends on the institution.

     

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