Cub Scout kicked out after asking lawmaker about gun control

Cub Scout kicked out after asking lawmaker about gun control - ABC News

"A Cub Scout was kicked out of his den after he questioned a Colorado state lawmaker about her position on gun control and previous comments she made about African-Americans' health and eating fried chicken."

Ha ha! I love it! Sounds like a future politician. :smile:

 

"There is something wrong in our country where Republicans believe it's a right to own a gun but a privilege to have health care. None of that makes sense to me," he said.


It makes no sense to him for not understanding that we do not have delineated rights.

 

Marxism / Socialism / Communism

Abner, why do you prefer socialism (or Marxism or Communism) over capitalism and the United States Constitution?

There has been a recent (and strong) resurgent alt.left push for socialism (aka Communism or Marxism) since the fall of the Soviet Union.

Every country that has become socialist (or Communist or Marxist) has failed, due to an inability to stay financially solvent.

Why socialism always fails - AEI

 

As a bit of a fact check, Canada has had a government-funded healthcare since 1957, and it's debt/GDP ratio is substantially lower than US's. I believe it's been even longer in European countries like France or Germany.

Me Again, why do you want poor people to die from preventable diseases?

Me Again, why you chose to remain ignorant and keep using terms like "Marxism/Communism" incorrectly, slandering third parties?

Me Again, do you feel bound by Ten Commandments?

 

"Free" Health Care in Canada Costs More Than It's Worth

Stanislav, as a bit of a fact check, the starting date was 1968 and the Act provided that the Canadian federal government would begin paying about half of Medicare costs. However, by 2013, a typical Canadian family of four can expect to pay $11,320 for public health care insurance. And the bill is getting bigger.

The cost of Canadian public health care insurance rose 53.3% over the last decade.

That's faster than:
- shelter cost (rose 34%)
- clothing cost (rose 32%)
- food cost (rose 23%)
- personal income (rose 36%)

Canadian healthcare is not sustainable!

Socialism (or Communism or Marxism) can usually work for at least one generation, until it begins its financial slide into insolvency.

"Free" Health Care in Canada Costs More Than It's Worth

 

Stanislav, can you please elaborate?

Stanislav, what do you mean by "feeling bound by the 10 Commandments"?

Stanislav, are you personally helping the poor -- or do you expect the government to do it for you (via confiscation and redistribution of wealth)?

Stanislav, why do you want the government to take care of the poor for you? That is the job of the Church -- the people of God. Confiscation and redistribution of wealth is the job of Marxism.

Stanislav, socialism/Communism/Marxism seeks to confiscate wealth from others -- and then redistribute it among everyone. There is no need to run from the truth. Generally, Marxism will usually work for the first generation, before it begins its decent into financial insolvency.

 

Yeah, when you copy and paste biaced articles, try to avoid leaving pearls like "by 2013, Canadian family can expect...". It just highlights the fact that it's 2017 and Canadian Medicare largely keeps on going. Also, seeing how US has the most expensive healthcare (and highest rate of medical inflation) in the developed world, costs are not the argument you want to make, me again. Canadian government both spends less on health per capita than US one AND it covers everyone AND it has lover levels of public debt and deficit (and that's under Liberals, which is the only party that ran - and won - on running "modest" budget deficits. Both Conservatives and the "socialist" NDP promised balanced budgets).
Seriously, I've held US private insurance, US employer-provided one, and Canadian single-payer, with and without supplemental employer insurance. Pease of mind my OHIP card let me needs to be experienced. Among other things, it promotes individual entrepreneurship and self-employment. What it does not do is enforcing nationalization of means of production (or Marxism - I remind you again, me again, that I was in V. I. Lenin Young Pioneers and had to endure this drivel - and you know nothing of what "Marxism" actually is).

 

Stanislav, the seeds of your esoteric Communist training may explain your proclivity (or your desire) to get the government involved in everything financial (i.e. from "cradle to grave").

Alt.left socialists (to include the alt.left controlled MSM) are pushing very hard for the United States to become socialist.

The United States is a Constitutional Republic, with a Bill of Rights that is unprecedented globally.

In principle, the U.S. government is:
- of the people
- by the people
- and for the people

In principle, Communism is:
- of the socialists
- by the socialists
- and for the people

Socialism becomes twisted, due to human greed, and the communists begin lobbying for themselves -- instead of for the people. It is corrupted by human greed.

 

Wrong. I do not observe that my fellow Communist bloc victims are drawn to left side of political spectrum any more than the locals. A bit of the opposite, frankly. And I chuckled at calling a mandatory Commie scouting knock-off "esoteric".

Meaningless statement, because you seem to use "alt.left socialist" and "socialism" as a general-purpose slur rather than what these words actually mean. But to make you happy - I did vote once for an NDP candidate, just because I was not going to vote for a particular guy my preferred center-left Liberals were running in our district. The Liberal won anyway, in a nation-wide Trudeau wave. And NDP is a party that used to state that their goal is to usher "socialism" well into the nineties, when Jack Layton scrubbed that reference from platform.

Not sure what "unprecedented globally" means; certainly a lot of rights come from English common law, and the rest inspired by Enlightenment. But yeah, on the whole, awesome document. Canadians are supposed to respond with a lecture about how our Charter of Rights is so much better, but it's nonsense. Canadian version is, true, a more modern document - one it was granted by the Queen in 1982. Americans beat us there by almost 200 years.

In principle, Communism supposed to dispense with the need for oppressive mechanism of State. (Also, Church, and Marriage. For all Marx's intellectual contributions to philosophy and social sciences, his detailed theory got every. single. thing. wrong). Which is hilarious, considering how things actually turned out right out of the gates of the "Proletarian Revolution".
In more relevant economic context, Communist dogma is the rejection of private property, and more specifically, private property on the means of production. This part they tried to enforce to a degree; in USSR, selling anything for profit was a major crime ("speculation"), with super-narrow exemptions for registered farmers selling croms from tiny personal plots along in their free time after toiling for their "Collective" or "Soviet" farm. Universal health coverage is not, necessarily, Socialist, as evidenced by every single NATO ally and EU partner US has - all of the "first world" bar the USA.
I love how ideologically rigid "free capitalist" side of this issue. Facts do not seem to matter. One would think that free marketers got suspicious when "market" price for a plain old EGC ranges from $1500 to $5000, and completely government-run Japan system offers the same thing for $100. But nooooo, "markets efficient, Socialism baaad, four feet good, two feet baaad". :lame:

 

U.S. Constitutional protections

Stanislav, the First and Second Amendments to the U.S. Constitution are unprecedented -- especially when they are compared to ALL other current and former governments throughout the world.

 

First Amendment specifically comes directly from Enlightenment, is paralleled almost exactly in Canadian Charter, and rights it protect are also protected in most normal countries in the world. America is more adamant about it, and I like it, but the differences are at the fringes (eg., Communist propaganda and symbols are banned in Ukraine but are protected speech in USA; some European countries banned criminal Scientology group but it thrives as "religion" in US, etc.). Moreover, Soviet Constitution had pretty great verbiage on freedom of speech and religion; articles the state regularly broke of course ("Soviet Constitution" was a fictitious document. Except Article 6). You guys pretending you're the only "free" people on the planet is a bit annoying. Especially seeing how so many Americans can't leave their employer for fear of losing their health coverage. :usa1:

 

Stanislav, free health care insurance is not a Constitutional protection in the United States. The seeds of your Communist training are deeply rooted in your socialistic philosophy.

 

I think Stanislav's comment is well-founded - guess I'm a Commie too. Maybe all Canadians are. :laugh: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/10/what-if-america-had-canadas-healthcare-system/381662/

J.

 

Mr. Steve Foerster, you are intimately familiar with the background, experience, training and expertise (or lack thereof) of unknown strangers to be able to declare them to be utter fools… how?

 

I think your present behavior provides more than enough evidence.

 

Who? Names please.

 

The Boy Scouts of America are such an ingrained part of American culture that many people forget that they are a private organization, and therefore can do pretty much whatever they want.

 

Many people confuse "can" and "should". It's a very common mistake, actually. Just because an action is legal does not mean the den leader is not a jerk. Anyone feels it's a good idea to retaliate against an 11-year-old for questioning a politician? Both said questioning and said retaliation were in context of teaching kids civics, to boot.

 

As a bit of a fact check, STANISLAV is right --- once again. "The first implementation of nationalized public health care -at the federal level- came about with the Hospital Insurance and Diagnostic Services Act (HIDS), which was passed by the Liberal majority government of Louis St. Laurent in 1957, and was adopted by all provinces by 1961. Lester B. Pearson's government subsequently expanded this policy to universal health care with the Medical Care Act in 1966."

It was there in my first working years. I remember registering for government Hospital Insurance around 1962-3 and for the new combined Dr. and Hospital insurance later - must have been 1966.

It's here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(Canada) and here: Civilization.ca - Making Medicare: The History of Health Care in Canada, 1914-2007

J.