"Time to Shut Down All For-profit Institutions"

Can you please stop being so personal with Stan? If you tone down your rhetorics, you may just realize a few people here may share a few of your ideas, but maybe not to your extreme. For e.g, I am against government backing of students' loan for-profits. You may not see it, but your behaviors towards Stanislav is unbecoming, of the little I know, of what is good Christian behaviors. Maybe by now, you have may learn a few good things about what is a good Ukranian Christian.

 

Brother Again here is a fine illustration of what happens when one identifies too strongly with an indefensible movement/idea/leader. Emotional identification is strong, and the victim HAS to find something to wield for his cause. As there are no good arguments, you'll see what you see here.

 

Now that thing right there was offensive.:angryfire:

 

I think we are on the same page with the loan and consumer protection.
I think for-profit have an opportunity to offer what public non-profit can't.
The problem is with let's say car loan they can repossess the car, with student loan default "responses" recall the degree or not issue the degree?
It can be the availability of classes, personal attention, quality instructors, and professors.
A potential student to a private for profit university will have a choice of silver, gold, platinum plan.
All depends on their credit score, financial standing. A cosigner for a loan n some cases.
All loans are private.
Then deliver world class education.
be profitable but not greedy. have some agreements in place for student transfer policies if a business failed and can't deliver on its obligations to have a third party to manage transparent students transition etc.
Attestation examinations for graduates of all universities, independent of the university they are studying at.

 

Indeed it was. Sickeningly so. Shame! :firedevil:

So the rich (or credit-worthy) get the best deal and the poor get the worst. Regardless of academic potential / demonstrable ability. How fair is that? :shock:

J.

 

Stanislav, you have previously admitted that your bloodline is Ukrainian-Russian. Is there a problem with you, your bloodline or the Russian side of your family? Russians are good people, just like other nationalities.

 

Dude, first of all, I don't believe that blood is destiny. That is literally a Nazi precept. Further, when two nations are at war - and Ukraine is at war with Russia, right now - you kind of have to pick a side. I do not have a problem with Russian part of my family - they just happen to be across the front line now (even if it is called "line of contact". If you have big artillery rounds flying across it, it's a front line). I mean, one of my wife's cousins is, literally, in the Russian military. I don't believe he's a right MOU to be secretly deployed, but still...

So, please, don't imply I hail from an aggressor nation.

 

Stanislav, prejudice is bad, no matter which side it comes from.

 

Public universities are not worst deal. They also have competitive entry and they cost a good buck. In my state, if you parents are low income you can attend college for almost free or state university for almost free.

Johann, why should we punish or restrict the people who want to use their money this way. I don't think they stole it, some went to school for 7 years and spend a decade working very hard to become successful so they can give their kids a better future, why should they be punished? Are they felons for being successful? Some grew up in poor areas or single parent families. My mother in law is giving piano lessons to the daughter of such successful MD who grew up in the ghetto.
No one is telling others what house to buy, the location of the house or automobile.

There is public university system that will cover everyone and it's a majority.
So the disadvantaged person financially or a person who wants to attend the public system has that opportunity.

I know many kids of reach parents who attend public community colleges for free or really low tuition.

And I also can tell you that prole can buy a better medical insurance coverage if they can afford it.

So yes this is Private For Profit Establishment that has a business to run, and if they want they can also offer education to different groups of people as long as they don't discriminate racially etc.

My best friends father who lives in Israel was working for an employer that offered supplemental medical coverage plan that is better than Israeli national medicine offering. His father purchased the plan.
Many years later he got ill and needed a surgery. Initially was taken to the public regional hospital. Its well known well-regarded place but it's crowded, and higher wait periods in line for surgery, unless it's super urgent life threatening situation they operate immediately. His wife contacted the private insurance on his benefits that he was paying for it monthly.
Almostimmidiatly he was transported to the private hospital with much better conditions and the surgery instead of waiting 12 weeks was done within 5 days.
SO yes when you are able to pay just like buying a better car, or a better home you can buy a better coverage and a better education.

My son's cousin has 200.000 USD loan that he needs to pay for his degree earned at the University of Southern California.
Upon his graduation from high school, he had options and got accepted into Cal State Long Beach full scholarship, Arizona State University very high scholarship and 5 other universities all over the USA. USC also accepted him but didn't offer much as far as scholarships. A kid in his class who had better results academically got huge scholarship to Stamford and he just graduated this summer.
His choice and of his parents was to earn a degree from USC. That's a freedom that they exercised. I think he would have gotten very good education fron Cal State LB or Loyola and had no debt. But no body asked me .

 

Prejudice? Which part, the war? What do you use for news, I might ask?

Russia wages aggressive war against my country. This doesn't mean I would prejudge a Russian; it means I am not identifying as one.

I wonder if people of ambiguous ethnicity (say, British royals) identified as "German" during WWII. Or since, for that matter. That doesn't mean they would not acknowledge their keen who do, oh no. Still, "we're British". The nation would not accept anything else.

 

I see. According to the National Center for Educational Statistics, over 20 million students will enroll at U.S. colleges and universities. Those students can select from more than 7,000 institutions eligible for federal financial aid. No other country comes close. For those students who wish to pursue a 4-year degree, they can choose from about 3,000 institutions. Limiting their choices to only public universities drops that number to just about 700, meaning that the millions of students pursuing bachelors, masters, specialist or doctoral degrees would have fewer than 25% of the current institutions available to them. Not only would students not longer be able to use federal funds to attend Dr. Udell's former institution (NYU), but they could not get loans to attend Harvard, MIT, Stanford, University of Chicago, Duke, Vanderbilt, or any of the more than 2,300 private universities in the U.S. Your solution would assure that private higher education would be limited only to students from the wealthiest families. I believe that this would be disastrous.

The current situation is that all colleges and universities (public, private non-profit and private for-profit) reap the "benefits" of federal funding and the cost for these loans (regardless of the tax status of the schools) are borne by tax payers (i.e. the students who took out the loans). By the way, for-profit colleges and universities pay income tax, property tax and other taxes, while public colleges and universities receive tax allotments, but pay no taxes.

Government funds routinely go to for-profit corporations that build their buildings and furnishings, provide their computers, telephony, and technology, build airplanes and cars, military equipment and so much more. There are no "public" (not-for-profit) entities that provide these things.

No disrespect intended--I will just agree to disagree with you on this one.

 

...and more recently, Prince Philip, who was Prince of Greece and Denmark from one of the branches of House Oldenburgh (Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg) so had a bunch of German titles, got rid of all of these and became "Lieutenant Mountbatten". I believe he had several first cousins in the German army during WWII, while he served in the British Navy.

I believe this was rather common in Europe; royals of mostly German descent adopting ethnicity of their subjects. For example, Romanovs of Russia (Schleswig-Holstein_Gottorp), or Bulgarian royal house (also Saxe-Coburg and Gotha). There was a guy named Wilhelm Franz von Habsburg of Austria; there was an active plot to make him King of Ukraine during WWII. He adopted Ukrainian identity completely and was known as Vasyl Vyshyvanyi till his death, long after the scheme fell through. His father schemed for his older brother to get Polish crown, so the whole family became Polish (and Polish nationalists); Wilhelm rebelled and became Ukrainian.

 

Yet, you chose to brigh up bombing the Middle East. It could be another Big Bad like ganocide or slavery, or "tyranny" in general. It's very common among L/libertarians and other cult-like movements, but not so common among other adults. That's why such sentences (while usually perfectly logical - libertarianism is an internally consistent little system) sound... weird to most ears. Just an observation. Also it kind of makes a Randist or other committed Libertarian sound like a Communist, even though the ideologies are perfect opposites ("private property rights are Sacred and Fount of All Good" vs. "private property is the root of oppression").

You're absolutely right, of course: you can't infer whether an idea is good or bad just from from the fact it is conventional or radical. Having said that, just as a matter of statistics, conventional ideas are a toss-up, while most radical ones are terrible. That's why a common trope where people label an idea "radical" to discredit it. Exactly what me again was doing; it does have some logic after all (or it would if he'd be right on facts). Ultimately, the proof is in the pudding: you said there are nongovernmental ways to remove barriers to education? OK, show it. It has to be both wide-range and sustainable, of course.

 

From the royal archive that got leaked, it showed queen elizabeth and her siblings with an audult, uncle or father, doing the nazi salute.

 

Yes - all those German connections were "done away with" after the First World War. It took a while to come up with Windsor for the Royal Family - a much easier job to transform all the Battenbergs to Mountbattens.

The British even went as far as to banish certain German-sounding animal-breeds! The dog I knew as an Alsatian in England is a German Shepherd here! I'm guessing they were German Shepherds in Britain prior to WW1.

J.

 

Interesting commentary on the Royal Family "Nazi Salute" here: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/20/queens-nazi-salute-a-sign-of-ignorance-shared-by-many-in-scary-times

A quote: "So when Philip Mountbatten (formerly Battenberg) married Princess Elizabeth in 1947 most of his family weren’t invited because they were compromised by associations, including marriage and war service, with the Nazi regime."

J.

 

Interesting. Except of course Philip was not Battenberg; he was a Glücksburg. He was related to Battenbergs (and his uncle, Lord Mountbatten) through his mother's side (Princess Alice of Battenberg, who was an interesting character in her own right).

 

Funny way to put it, but completely accurate. That's why most of Europe's royals (correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it includes all the remaining reigning ones) are of German descent.

There's a picture of King George, Kaiser Wilhelm, and Tsar Nicolas II of Russia. All three wear Prussia-style military garb and identical hair and beard style; you literally can't tell them apart. And indeed, they were second cousins along several different lines.