In Major Defeat for Trump, Push to Repeal Health Law Fails

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  1. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    All of them lost. Congressional Republicans look incompetent for coming up with a bill so crappy that even their own caucus wouldn't support it, and Trump looks weak for not even being able to corral his own party.
     
  3. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    The Art of the (Failed) Deal
     
  4. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    So one piece of shite bill wins a stunning victory over another piece of shite bill, and everyone goes home happy. Except for those who are still priced out of buying their own health insurance but are forced by the federal government to pay for other people's insurance. Yay, politics!
     
  5. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Let Obamacare Fail!!!

    It's actually a major victory and blessing because it gives an opportunity for Obamacare to fail financially because it is not sustainable. Let Obamacare implode. The cost of Obama care is rising between 30 and 50 percent (or more) in various states. Again, Obamacare is not financially sustainable.
     
  6. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Yeah, lord forbid the El Anaranjado (the orange one) should act presidential and seek ways to improve ACHA. My brothers to the right voted to repeal the ACHA sixty times, but they never had a better plan in mind. Town hall meetings show that as flawed as ACHA is, the people (some Trump voters amongst them) wanted it to remain. The new Trump care version would have kicked off 20+ million low income (many Trump voters) off the rolls.

    Unfortunately, Trump is proving to be a payaso rather than a president. He is just to mean and petty to keep the people's interest in mind. Yeah, just let ACHA blow up, and screw the people that will be affected. His business deal making is not relevant in so far as the machinations of the government. This was proven yesterday. If he was smart, he would seek a bipartisan approach and make tweeks to the ACHA so it could thrive. Then he could take credit and leave a legacy. But, he won't do that. His ADD makes his long term thinking short sighted.
     
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  7. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    GOP needs to allow Obamacare to fail...

    Unfortunately, it is highly unlikely that the GOP has the gumption to allow Obamacare to fully fail. However, that's exactly what needs to happen, for the federal government to be fully divested of it. Obamacare is not financially sustainable -- unless the United States becomes socialistic, where wealth is taken by the federal government and then redistributed. Fortunately, that is not going to happen under the presidential leadership of Donald Trump during the next 7.9 years. Whew!
     
  8. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    I’d just go single-payer (Medicare for all) and pay for it through taxing the heck out of the donor class. They tried to destroy him anyway. Hike the capital gains tax, get rid of the carried-interest exception, and raise taxes on income above whatever the 90th%ile for Trump voters is. He’d get so many fans among the working classes nobody would be able to touch him.

    Of course, Congress would never let him…
     
  9. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    I agree 100%
     
  10. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    He has talked about working in a bipartisan manner on the healh care bill today, so I will give him credit for that.
     
  11. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member


    I mean its not like Obama stole from the tax payers to keep Obamacare aka ACA a float. I mean, he would never have lied and robbed the American people. The media would have been running that story nonstop.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2016/01/18/how-the-obama-administration-raided-the-treasury-to-pay-off-insurers/#1954c3da164d

    | National Review

    https://www.treasury.gov/about/budget-performance/annual-performance-plan/Documents/2013%20Department%20of%20the%20Treasury%20AFR%20Report%20v2.pdf

    https://www.infowars.com/treasury-report-obama-stole-from-fannie-freddie-investors-to-fund-obamacare/
     
  12. TomE

    TomE New Member

    So long, Paul Ryan!
     
  13. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I think that's the most desperate way I've ever heard to try to pretend a crushing defeat is some sort of victory. AHCA didn't fail because it's part of some grand secret plan to make things worse on purpose (which would essentially be treason anyway), it failed because Trump and his administration is totally clueless, like the proverbial dog who caught the car and has no earthly idea what to do with it.
     
  14. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    It's not desperation. It's relief. It is GOOD that the current healthcare proposal did not pass because it is still entirely too accommodating to Obamacare vestiges (and backwards socialistic policies). Obamacare in it's entirety must go. All of it. Kaput.
     
  15. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    A Republican House, Senate and White House and they still couldn't get it done. Why?Because the extreme right wing, just like me again, refuses to compromise even one little bit. And that's why they will continue to fail. Ryan is proving to be no more adept than Boehner at effecting compromise within his own party.
     
  16. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    The devil is in the details.

    It is not prudent to negotiate (or compromise) with the devil because he won't change.
     
  17. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    And so we see another reason this whole process isn't working for the extreme right wing. It's the conflation of politics and religion. Imagine how the moderate Republicans (not to mention the Democrats) react to being compared to "the devil."
     
  18. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    If Trump is such a great deal maker why can't he even make a deal with legislators from his own party? LOL!

    :haha:

    And if he were literate enough to read his own book, maybe he'd know that: http://stevefoerster.com/misc/trump.jpg
     
  19. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Only 7.3 more years under President Trump

    Everything is on target and on-course -- steady as she goes. Turbulence is expected during a long ride, but things are working very well for the Trump presidency. Unfortunately, the nation only has 7.3 more years under the awesome leadership decisions, political skills and economic negotiations of President Trump.
     
  20. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Ha, you put so much spin on that that it sounds like you're angling for Sean Spicer's job once he finally cracks! :lol:
     

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