Fake Doctor Goes To Jail

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by Kizmet, Feb 5, 2016.

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  1. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

  2. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    My guess is Clayton College of Natural Health.
     
  3. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

  4. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    What's interesting is that the article notes that his "science wasn't on trial, his practices were." Yet they seemed to dedicate a fair amount of effort trying to debunk the "science" behind his practices.

    The reason why this is odd is that he wasn't on trial for fraud related to peddling pseudo science. He was on trial for practicing medicine without a license. His science could have been spot on. He could have been practicing more competently than many licensed physicians. But by "crossing the line" into practicing medicine and not having a medical license, he'd be in trouble.

    For sure, his conviction is a victory. But there are plenty of chiropractors who "cross the line" into practicing medicine with no consequence. And in states like NY, where we don't license naturopaths, unlicensed naturopaths thrive with established practices, calling themselves Doctor all the way.

    His "science" is no more or less bunk than naturopathy or chiropractic. The latter two just have better lawyers (and an arsenal of lobbyists).
     
  5. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    In the first instance you're referring to the courts and in the second you're referring to the newspaper. Different agendas.
     
  6. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    I wasn't referring to the newspaper's agenda. I was referring to the statement:

     
  7. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Yeah, well I guess it would be hard to just completely ignore the junk science angle.
     
  8. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    I can understand the temptation as well.

    But the fact is that there are plenty of M.D.s/D.Os offering junk science as well. Heck, even dentists and veterinarians are getting into the game. While veterinarian shopping (my old vet recently moved) I encountered a new vet who was more than eager to not "poison" my dog with vaccines and instead charge me the same amount for "homeopathic remedies."

    Young wasn't on trial for making misleading statements about the efficacy of his treatment modalities. He was on trial only for practicing medicine without a license. So, again, even if his science was spot on, he was still committing a crime.

    I'm no lawyer, but I wouldn't be shocked if we saw at least a partially successful appeal around the fact that the state made the case about his "science" (or lack thereof) to the point of prejudicing the jury. I hope it doesn't, mind you. I hope he serves his time and others considering this short-cut to the practice of medicine think twice about it. But the intersection of "greed" and "stupid" rarely sees "reason" stop by, it seems.
     
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  9. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    If you hang out at the intersection of Greed St. and Stupid Ave. you'll likely find yourself on the bus that goes to the jail or the graveyard.:eek:
     
  10. jhp

    jhp Member

    Do stupid people know they are stupid?
     
  11. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    Some of us do. But the ones who don't know seem to be a lot happier. Louis C.K. did a set about this...

    *NOTE* Language warning on that link
     
  12. jumbodog

    jumbodog New Member

    As opposed to the majority of doctors who are not practicing medicine with a license? Most doctors are nothing but billing machines and don't give a crap about medicine or their patients.

    To me, all this case is about is a guild using the power of the state to enforce a state-sanctioned monopoly. Like lawyers, we shouldn't be licensing these people at all.
     
  13. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    This is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen written on this site.
     
  14. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    I can't remember what I had for dinner last night, but I remembered that Clayton was in Alabama. :surprised:
     
  15. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Didn't you get pizza from that little place over by the quarries?:question:
     
  16. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    I gave it some deep thought, and finally remembered that it was super busy at work, so I had a small bag of Doritos, a Pepsi Max, and an apple on the fly.
     
  17. msganti

    msganti Active Member

    Couple months back, I had to go to the ER of a big hospital on a weekend with severe backache. After an unbearable 3 hour wait, all I was given is a shot of Morphine and a bill of ~$2,000. They never bothered to assess the cause of pain. The "doctor" has the guts to call me for a follow-up appointment - about a month later!!!.
    I took a pledge to myself that the next time I'll visit a "doctor" in this country - that'll be my dead body.
     
  18. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    One time I really had a craving for a burrito so I stopped and got a burrito. The burrito was terrible. Therefore, all burritos are terrible and I'm never touching one again.
     
  19. msganti

    msganti Active Member

    I just gave recent a recent example. May be it's just me or my bad luck, but I never had success finding a good doctor - across states and cities.
     
  20. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    Without knowing your personal vetting process for finding a new doctor it is difficult to say whether it is a symptom of misfortune or your own inaction.

    Whenever I am doctor shopping it is a (usually) months long process of reviewing, considering referrals and eventually going and, essentially, interviewing said doctor.

    Unless your life is in immediate peril, going to the ER is going to get you nothing but frustration. My wife went there after she cut her hand while cooking a few years ago. She walked out with a $2k bill and some sloppy stitches. The next time she cut her hand while cooking (this was a fairly common occurrence at one point) she went to an urgent care, had as pleasant an experience as one could expect, and paid a $20 copay.
     

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