Yet another case of a school discriminating against a for profit school

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  1. ITJD

    ITJD Active Member

    I'd argue that there are two major problems with society in general:

    1. We say discrimination is bad, but human society is based on caste systems.
    2. We say that self-esteem is needed but pride is bad.

    So I'd argue

    1. That we need to accept a certain level of elitism in order to remain sane and work within the system to be successful. (Choose what caste you want to be a part of and work at it - including choice of schools and work required to climb there or fall into it.)

    2. Applaud schools that maintain a high standard based on their moral code. (Ultimately, the only thing that creates social change is groups of people deciding to change. In the system that exists those groups are schools, political parties, corporate blocks and communities)

    So I'd applaud SJU even if I don't understand their logic.
     
  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Yes, excellent point, there is always that. The bottom line is that for-profit schools suffer some amount of "reputation hit". I was trying to ignore the discussion as to whether or not it was fair. Instead I was trying concentrate on making the point that it is a simple fact. As a disclaimer, I did not attend a for-profit school. I see value in the for-profit schools but would suggest that all things being equal someone should choose a not-for-profit school because of the superior reputation.
     
  3. okiemom

    okiemom New Member

  4. bennylinus

    bennylinus New Member

    I have a feeling this is going to become the trend among universities. The media is covering the shenanigans of for-profit universities more and more and it's only going to spell trouble for those who attended these diploma mills.
     
  5. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Your categorizing regionally accredited for-profit universities as diploma mills? :poke:
     
  6. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    What makes them diploma mills, in your opinion? If we take the big gun, University of Phoenix, for example, the majority of people who enroll with them don't graduate with a degree. That, in fact, makes them the exact opposite of a diploma mill.
     
  7. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    For profit = diploma mills? Sounds like you are part of the problem!
     
  8. bennylinus

    bennylinus New Member

    It's "You're" and yes, the majority of these for-profit universities that are RA are also open admissions. If you can pay, you can graduate.
     
  9. bennylinus

    bennylinus New Member

    There are a whole slew of factors that go into the low graduation rate at the University of Phoenix. Rigorous academics is not one. A lot of these students probably realize half-way through their first semester that their degree is worthless and they end up attending a state or private university. The rest are just not college material and don't have the motivation to see through a project from beginning to end.

    Also, your argument is flawed. If the students are dropping out before the program ends, of course they are not receiving a degree. If they actually stay in the program through the end, they will receive a degree. Cash is king at U of P. You pay, you graduate. I've yet to hear of anyone flunking out of U of P. Dropping out, but not flunking out.
     
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  10. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Please accept my humble apology for using "your" instead of "you're." Thank you soooo much for the grammatical English lesson at this internet website. As a graduate of a non-profit state university, I should have known better! :wave:

    Back to the question: Why do you categorize for-profit universities as diploma mills? :poke:
     
  11. bennylinus

    bennylinus New Member

    I believe I've sufficiently answered this question, but I'll go ahead and answer it again.

    It's been proven that the University of Phoenix pushes students right along, even if they aren't doing the assigned work. Universities should have strict standards when it comes to the rigor of a program. If one can simply pay for a degree, then it's a diploma mill. That is exactly the case with the University of Phoenix. Doing less than the minimum at these for-profit universities will result in a degree.
     
  12. bpreachers

    bpreachers New Member

    you are categorizing all for profit universities in this light and that generalization is wrong. I happen to know for a fact that people have failed and retaken courses at AMU and I also know for a fact that not all for profit universities are diploma mills. I am so happy for you and your state college education but don't act like you think your education is automatically better than a non-traditional student. That elitest attitude is what fuels the feelings that schools like sju have for for-profit degrees.
     
  13. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    bennylinus, you don't mind if a couple of more questions are asked, do you? :hypnotized:


    Your name isn't capitalized at the beginning of the above listed sentence because you didn't capitalize it in your profile. Just FYI. :eek:mfg:

    Can you please provide a citation for your opinion, or is it just an unsubstantiated opinion? :buttkick:


    Is that your "proof" that for-profit universities are diploma mills? Do you have a citation or study to back up your opinion or again, is it simply your opinion? :sigh1:
     
  14. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    Admission = graduation? I can tell you that is not the case for the schools I have attended (4 for-profit, 1 non-profit / private, and 4 non-private public). What are you basing these comments on? Actually, the customer service and educational quality vary greatly within each group. The customer service at one public school was great while poor at another. The customer service at one for-profit is excellent and horrible at another. The educational quality vary within the individual school depending on instructor.
     
  15. bennylinus

    bennylinus New Member

    What's the matter, can you not do the research for yourself?

    Doing work for another student sounds very for-profit-ish to me...
     
  16. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    You are grouping every for-profit in with UoP and making comments about UoP that are not supported by any facts.
     
  17. bennylinus

    bennylinus New Member

    Do I really need to do the homework for you? A simple google search on the matter should garner plenty of results.
     
  18. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    Well that settles it - a "google search" will return only the facts. Thanks for playing today!
     
  19. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

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  20. bpreachers

    bpreachers New Member

    why exactly has this thread about a private school discriminating against my degree turned into a bash UofP thread? My degree has nothing to do with phoenix. As a matter of fact my school has a much better rep than Phoenix. The only reason UofP keeps getting brought up is because they are an advertising giant. It is people that group all for profit schools with Phoenix that puts people like me in the situation I was placed in. I could care less about Phoenix, my problem is with people that think like bennylinus. You think anyone that attends a non-traditional college is automatically inferior which is the same mentality colleges like SJU have that puts people like me at a disadvantage for no real reason other than closed mindedness and pig headedness on the part of elitest snobs like yourself benny
     
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