Don't want no stinkin DL grads!

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by SurfDoctor, Jun 8, 2010.

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  1. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    Yes, the legal industry is severely overcrowded because so many people would like to be an attorney. Too much supply for the level of demand. But to go to Yale, probably pay $100K or more, and then have to tend bar, what a slap in the face. Nothing against bartenders, they work hard, but paying off that school debt would be tough. I'm expect that he/she will not have to do that permanently.
     
  2. Cyber

    Cyber New Member

    I agree -designating how a degree was earned is a disservice to the student. It's meant to highlight the non-traditional method of earning a degree, and any institution that does that should be boycotted. When students pay their money/tuition, it is the same money like every other students' and not "online money". So why should their earned degree be designated with nonsense...

    Can we keep a list of institutions that practice this rubbish on this site somewhere to warn potential students ahead as well as discourage them from attending such institution? Maybe that will make them change it. It's really time we (students) push back to stop all these designations and degrading of distance learning. It's the same crowd that would either discourage or look down on DL degrees even when they offer them.

    Idiocy at its highest levels and i'm tired of it!!!
     
  3. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    It seems that whenever MichaelOliver posts a thread, it is near-guaranteed to reach 5 pages of replies. One more page to go for this one :)
     
  4. AUTiger00

    AUTiger00 New Member

    +1. People have this assumption that if you come out of an Ivy you're pulling in big money right out of school. It's not true. I mean the kids who go on to I banking and consulting do, but there are plenty of students at these schools that go on to be teachers or working in non-profits. We had a temp in my office with a Harvard degree. An Ivy League diploma isn't the immediate cash windfall a lot of people perceive it to be.
     
  5. Anthony Pina

    Anthony Pina Active Member

    The homeschool analogy is a very appropriate one. Both distance learning and homeschooling have a very solid research base showing that learner achievement is at least as good as (and often superior to) that attainted in traditional classroom-based systems. The ever-popular "inadequate socialization" myth for homeschooling is also busted by the research.

    Hiring is a completely subjective activity, usually influenced by the biases, prejudices and experiences of the one doing the hiring. Some years ago, I encountered a business owner who stated that he would never hire anyone from a school affiliated with a religious denomination, including well-respected universities such as Notre Dame, Brigham Young and Georgetown. I see no difference in mentality between such an individual and the one that states "no distance learning degrees".
     
  6. Anthony Pina

    Anthony Pina Active Member

    Thankfully, Michael has a knack for posting fascinating questions that get us going :)
     
  7. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    Well there's that and he is an attention whore ;) j/k Michael.
     
  8. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    Why I aughta.... :) (Ala Three Stooges)
     
  9. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    Thanks Dr. P and MC for the kind words. I just become curious about something and begin to wonder what everyone would have to say about it. It's very interesting to read the variety of answers.
     
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  10. jerryclick

    jerryclick New Member

    Could they also be concerned about online degrees in general? A former boss of mine had a degree (Ph.D.) from an online university in Liberia. This guy was nearly illiterate but he was made a Dept Head based on his "degree." I don't work there any longer. :D
     
  11. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    Wow, that's sort of a counterpoint to the argument here. He was stupid and he had an online degree, but he was made a Dept. Head? A degree from Liberia? Was it a legit degree?
     
  12. Anthony Pina

    Anthony Pina Active Member

    A number of notorious diploma mills claimed a connect/approval from the Liberian Ministry of Education. It sounds as though your former boss likely deceived his degree from one of those (perhaps St. Regis or Concordia College & University).
     
  13. TCord1964

    TCord1964 New Member

    I've said it before, but I'll mention it again. If I faced this kind of "degree discrimination" from a prospective employer just because I had a DL degree, I wouldn't want to work for them anyway. If they are going to make a snap judgment based upon the delivery method of my education, then I can only assume said employer is not going to be a good place to work. Why waste my time?
     
  14. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    Yes, that's what I was thinking. It sounded like a fake degree to me. However, it looks like the employer bought the lie.
     
  15. jerryclick

    jerryclick New Member

    This was a few years ago when a German auto manufacturer merged with an American automotive manufacturer. The German management had a long standing rule that certain degrees went with certain levels of responsibility. For example Bachelors for Supervision, etc. The old US auto company had many who had worked their way up from the factory floor. This particular manager had been a punch press operator when he was liked an old line manager and brought up through the ranks. Suddenly, those from the American side started obtaining advanced degrees. Managers would call each other "Doctor" in the hallways. I wondered about this while I was struggling to finish my Bachelors in the eighteen month "grace period" so I could keep my job. I succeeded BTW. :) In the course of all this, I found this site. One of my first questions was about this St Regis. I thought I was going to get banned, or at least get flamed to death! Armed with the knowledge that all degrees are not equal, I watched with some amusement as it all made sense now. When that facility was closed, I had no problem finding work elsewhere. Some of these others were unemployed for years (literally.)
    Yes Martha, it does pay to have an accredited degree. :D
     
  16. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    Was this DaimlerChrysler? Seems rather cold hearted of them but it appears that it benefited you in the end.
     
  17. Anthony Pina

    Anthony Pina Active Member

    When I said "deceived" (instead of "received") his degree, that was not a typo :)
     
  18. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    Good one! I thought that was on purpose.
     
  19. Cyber

    Cyber New Member

    As someone who knows a bit about Liberia, such PhD was definitely from a fake school. Liberia is a country ravaged by many years of war. Before the war, almost all their infrastructures were non-functioning. Their educational system was (before the war) worthless, and is still ill-functioning. The country can barely feed its citizens, talkless of funding educational institutions to the level of them being able to deliver DL degrees of any kind. Frankly, almost all DL degrees from that region of the world are scams (people just set up fake school websites to collect payment).

    I will also tell you that their respective governments are aware of their ill-ability to deliver any form of DL degree programs, that's why such is banned and not authorized. However, since the scammers know that most of these government agencies/departments do not even have a website or other means of communication which would make it easy to verify accredited institutions, they go ahead and state that such schools are authorized when they are not. So certainly, your ex-boss's PhD was a fraud.
     
  20. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    I didn't know all of that, very interesting. Just the point of origin would cause concern for me. Nothing ill intended against the people, but I know their infrastructure is not in too good of shape.
     

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