Too Many PhD's ?

Discussion in 'Online & DL Teaching' started by scaredrain, Jan 20, 2008.

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  1. scaredrain

    scaredrain Member

  2. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    I tried to visit the link you posted, but got the following reply:
    My goal in obtaining a RA doctorate was to qualify me to work as an adjunct in a flooded market, after I retire. :eek: In the old days, completion of "graduate school" (aka a Masters degree) meant something special, but in the online 21st Century, it simply doesn't have the same bang-for-the-buck as in the old days, unless it's in something esoteric.
     
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  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That link doesn't work, but I've seen similar articles like this one that have the same warning, and the cover of the Jobs section of today's Washington Post has an article warning people interested in academia not to count on finding a tenure track position there.

    -=Steve=-
     
  4. scaredrain

    scaredrain Member

    Hi try this link, its the same story but from the Associated Press:
    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hOdoDPCZfZJ0b_3AtcckaEVokCuAD8U9PMRO0
     
  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Okay, same one. Were you considering trying to find a tenure track position once you have your EdD? I'm deciding what to do abotu doctoral work as well, but not because I'm interested in a tenure track position on the other side of it.

    -=Steve=-
     
  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The conditions describe a flooded traditional academic environment. I certainly hope no one reading this board is heading in that direction with a DL doctorate. While such a degree would qualify you technically, it's not the path you need. Take a few years (many years) off and do it on campus so you can join the crowd and get flooded.
     
  7. scaredrain

    scaredrain Member

    I am not going to pursue tenure or anything like that. I currently work for a community college and I am an adjunct at several other local colleges. I am looking at administrative jobs and even nonprofit administrative jobs. I will pursue more adjunct positions, especially online ones that seem to only want to hire doctorate level faculty. The tenured jobs are there, but I am noticing in NC, at smaller private colleges that cant match the salaries of the larger public universities or prestigious private ones like Duke or Davidson.
     
  8. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    The PhD glut has been going on since about 1972, which is quite awhile before the greater accessibility of accredited online doctorates.
     
  9. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

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    Yes. In the career tracks, you can still find tenure tracks with a masters. I have found several tenure-track culinary professor openings that require a masters. The trouble is, that there are only a tiny tiny fraction of chefs who have a masters....actually a small number have a bachelors. Most of the time the university ends up with hospitality managers or home ec teachers.

    An interjection: If you or someone you know ever wants to go to culinary school, avoid any and all universities that would require your professor to have a graduate degree....or check them out very carefully... while it is an academic credential, it's not a measure of their skill in the industry. You want ACF CERTIFIED chefs as your instructors (who may or may not have any degree). There are exactly 2 people on this globe who are certified master chefs and hold a PhD, however Noel Cullen died....and then there was one.)
     
  10. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator


    Maybe you could make it two again???:) :)
     
  11. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

    >>

    LOL No way would I attempt the certified master chef exam. Asside from not being a full time executive chef supervising a minimum of 10 people for 7 unbroken years in a full service facility (a minimum requirement to take the exam along with a dozen other requirements that I do meet) it costs $4000 and has an 80% failure rate. The exam is held once per year in NY and is 7 days in length.

    The PhD part I am strongly considering!
     
  12. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Nowadays the trend is to ask for a PhD even for adjunct positions. Athabasca for example now asks for a PhD even for tutor positions. With more online degrees available the trend will be towards more education requirements.
     
  13. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Good point.
     
  14. PHDHunter

    PHDHunter New Member

    I don't get it, every article I read about PhD's in Business is that there is a shortage and it will only get worse as more BB retire.

    Cheers
     
  15. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    It probably depends on what field that we're looking at. There are some fields that are extremely difficult to get a full-time tenured job in because there are too many doctoral holders in that area. However, in general and when all fields are totaled, I seriously doubt that we will EVER have a glut of regionally accredited doctoral holders because it is simply too difficult to obtain one. Remember: about 50 to 70% of all doctoral students simply "walk away" from the dissertation, after they find out what's expected of them, even though they completed all the doctoral "coursework" that leads up to it. When we get more than 1% of the population with a regionally accredited doctorate, then come back and see me, but that's a looooooooong ways away! ;)
     
  16. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Universities keep telling us that there is a PhD shortage in business but yet many PhD business holders are without full time tenure track jobs. The reality is that there is always a shortage of faculty on a specific field but by the time you get your doctorate in that field it is too late. If you had a PhD in accounting or supply chain management now, then you would be getting job offers from many places. However, if you decide to start a PhD now by the time you finish it would be HR or Marketing. I finished mine in Information Systems in the field of E-commerce, 8 years ago I would have gotten many offers but today many faculties are closing down programs in E-commerce and MIS.

    The problem is that it takes about 5-8 years to finish a PhD on a part time basis so it is almost impossible to predict the future trends. My experience is that if now is accounting, just study another field in business since accounting will be saturated for sure in 5-8 years from now.
     

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