Excelsior - Now To Accept Na Transfer Credit To The Ba Programs!!!

Re: OCS

Delta, you are incorrect. All branches of the armed forces and all federal positions recognize NA as being equivalent to RA. They don't make a distinction.

Pug

 

Re: Re: OCS

Equivalent is the wrong word. The federal government simply accepts DETC degrees.

However, there are no ROTC programs via DETC. Additionally, a DETC degree will not qualify an applicant to work as a professor in any state university system, nor at any community college. But who would ever want to do that?

Also, I am unaware of anyone who has been accepted into OCS or the FBI or any other federal department with a DETC degree. I have requested the name of just one (1) person, but, well, it hasn't happened yet.

RA has its benefits, above and beyond what DETC can offer.

 

Re: Re: Re: OCS

I am not suggesting that the DETC is as widely accepted as RA. I am suggesting that DETC accreditation, as with other forms of NA, are accepted by the federal government and armed forces.

 

Re: Re: Re: OCS

Well said...I am a safety guy - best bet would always be an RA degree.

 

Will do-

 

Delta, the following is a partial list published elsewhere on DegreeInfo of RA schools that accept NA credit. The list is from 2002 and certainly outdated. As we've seen from Excelsior, credit transfer policies change all of the time. I am sure there will be schools on this list that no longer take NA, but there will also be schools not on the list that now accept NA. The list is only meant to illustrate that what Excelsior is doing with their policy revision is NOT new ground. I have personally verified some of these schools (Liberty, Moody, Bellevue, University of Phoenix, Kaplan):

Aquinas College Nashville, TN
Bethel College McKenzie TN
Agusta Technical College Augusta, GA
Alaska Pacific University Anchorage, AK
Alcorn State University Lorman, MS
Alexandria Technical College Alexandria, MN
Allan Hancock College Santa Maria, CA
Allegany College of Maryland Cumberland, MD
American Inter Continental University Dunwoody, GA
Arizona Western College Yuma, AZ
Ashland Community College Ashland, KY
Ashland University Ashland, OH
Athens State University Athens, AL
Athens Technical College Athens, GA
Azusa Pacific University Azusa, CA
Baker College Flint, MI
Baker University — School of Professional and Graduate Studies Overland Park
Bakersfield College Bakersfield, CA
Barat College Lake Forest, IL
Barton County Community College Great Bend, KS
Bellevue University Bellevue, NE
Bemidji State University Bemidji, MN
Bethel College Mishawaka, IN
Bevill State Community College Sumiton, AL
Brevard Community College Cocoa, FL
Briar Cliff College Sioux City, IA
Briarcliffe College Bethpage, NY
Broadwater State College Bridgewater, MA
Caldwell College Caldwell, NJ
California State University — Long Beach Long Beach, CA
California State University — San Marcos San Marcos, CA
Canisius College Buffalo, NY
Capitol College Laurel, MD
Carl Sandburg College Galesburg, IL
Catholic University of America — Metropolitan College Washington, DC
Cayuga Community College Auburn, NY
Cedar Crest College — Continuing Education Programs Allentown, PA
Centenary College Hackettstown, NJ
Central Alabama Community College Alexander City, AL
Central College Pella, IA
Central Community College — Columbus Campus Columbus, NE
Central Community College — Grand Island Campus Grand Island, NE
Central Community College — Hastings Campus Grand Island, NE
Central Georgia Technical College Macon, GA
Chadron State College Chadron, NE
Chaffey College Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Chapman University Orange, CA
Chattanooga State Technical Community College Chattanooga, TN
City Colleges of Chicago Harold Washington College Chicago, IL
Clarion University of Pennsylvania Clarion, PA
Clark College Dubuque, IA
Clarkson College Omaha, NE
Cleveland State Community College Cleveland, TN
College for Lifelong Learning Concord, NH
College of Lake County Grayslake, IL
College of Santa Fe Santa Fe, NM
College of Southern Idaho Twin Falls, ID
College of Southern Maryland La Plata, MD
College of the Canyons Santa Clarita, CA
College of the Southwest Hobbs, NM
Colorado Technical University Colorado Springs, CO
Columbia College Chicago Chicago, IL
Columbia Union College Takoma Park, MD
Columbia-Greene Community College Hudson, NY
Columbus State Community College Columbus, OH
Columbus Technical College Columbus, GA
Community College of Baltimore County — Catonsville Campus Catonsville, MD
Concordia University Portland, OR
Concordia University, St. Paul ST Paul, MN
Connors State College Warner, OK
Corning Community College Corning, NY
Cossatot Technical College De Queen, AR
Costal Carolina Community College Jacksonville, NC
Cosumnes River College Sacramento, CA
Covenant College Lookout Moutain, GA
Crichton College Memphis TN
Cumberland University Lebanon, TN
Cypress College Cypress, CA
D’Youville College Buffalo, NY
Daemen College Amherst, NY
Darton College Albany, GA
Davenport University — Central Region Midland, MI
Davenport University Grand Rapids, MI
Davis College Toledo, OH
Defiance College Defiance, OH
Delaware Technical and Community College Dove, DE
Delta College University Center, MI
DeSales University Center Valley, PA
Diablo Valley College Pleasant Hill, CA
Dodge City Community College Dodge City, KS
Dominican College of Blauvelt Orangeburg, NY
Durham Technical Community College Durham, NC
East Central Community College Decatur, MS
East Georgia College Swainsboro, GA
East Tennessee State University Johnson City, TN
Eastern Nazarene College — LEAD Program Quincy, MA
Eastern Oklahoma State College Wilburton, OK
Elmira College Elmira, NY
Fairleigh Dickinson University Teaneck, NJ
Fayetteville State University Fayetteville, NC
Fielding Institute Santa Barbara, CA
Fisher College Boston, MA
Florida International University Miami, FL
Florida National College Hialeah, FL
Florida State University — Panama Canal Branch Tallahassee, FL
Gannon University Erie, PA
Garden City Community College Garden City KS
Genesee Community College Batavia, NY
Georgia Perimeter College Decatur, GA
Georgia Southwestern State University Americus, GA
Golden State University San Francisco, CA
Graceland University Lamoni, IA
Grand View College Des Moines, IA
Great Basin College Elko, NV
Guilford Technical Community College Jamestown, NC
Gulf Coast Community College Panama City, FL
Hagerstown Community College Hagerstown, MD
Harford Community College Bel Air, MD
Hawkeye Community College Waterloo, IA
Herkimer County Community College Herkimer, NY
Hilbert College Hamburg, NY
Hinds Community College Raymond, MS
Holy Family College Philadelphia, PA
Horry-Georgetown Technical College Conway, SC
Houghton College Houghton, NY
Howard Community College Columbia MD
Hudson County Community College Jersey City, NJ
Idaho State University Pocatello, ID
Illinois Valley Community College Oglesby, IL
Independence Community College Independence, KS
Iowa Central Community College Fort Dodge, IA
Ivy Tech State College — Kokomo/Logansport Kokomo, IN
Jacksonville University Jacksonville, FL
Jamestown College Jamestown, ND
Jefferson Community College Watertown, NY
Jones International University Englewood, CO
Kalamazoo Valley Community College Kalamazoo, MI
Kaplan University
Kellogg Community College Battle Creek, MI
Kennebec Valley Technical College Fairfield, ME
Kent State University Kent, OH
Kentucky State University Frankfort, KY
Keystone College La Plume, PA
La Roche College Pittsburgh, PA
La Salle University Philadelphia, PA
Lake City Community College Lake City, FL
Lake Superior College Duluth, MN
Lamar Community College Lamar, CO
Lehigh Carbon Community College Schnecksville, PA
Liberty University
Lima Technical College Lima, OH
Lindenwood University St Charles, MO
Los Angeles Trade-Technical College Los Angeles, CA
Louisiana State University and Agricultural and Mechanical College Baton Rouge
Louisiana State University at Eunice Eunice, LA
Lourdes College Sylvania, OH

 

list continued...

MacMurray College Jacksonville, IL
Madisonville Community College Madisonville, KY
Maharishi University of Management Fairfield, IA
Malone College Canton, OH
Manatee Community College Bradenton, FL
Martin Methodist College Pulaski, TN
Martin University Indianapolis, IN
Marycrest International University Davenport, IA
Mayland Community College Spruce Pine, NC
McIntosh College Dover, NH
Mercy College Dobbs Ferry, NY
Metropolitan Community College Omaha, NE
Miami-Jacobs College Dayton, OH
Middle Tennessee State University Murfreesboro, TN
Mid-Plains Community College North Platte, NE
Miles Community College Miles City, MT
Mississippi Gulf Coast Community College Perkinston, MS
Mitchell Community College Statesville, NC
Mitchell technical Institute Mitchell, SD
Mohave Community College Kingman, AZ
Monroe Community College Rochester, NY
Montgomery College Rockville, MD
Moody Bible Institute
Mount Mary College Yankton, SD
Mount Olive College Mount Olive, NC
Mount St. Mary’s College Los Angeles, CA
Mount Wachusett Community College Gardner, MA
National American University Rapid City, SD
National-Louis University Evanston, IL
Naugatuck Valley Community College Waterbury, CT
Neumann College Aston, PA
New Hampshire Community Technical College at Laconia Laconia, NH
New Jersey Institute of Technology Newark, NJ
North Carolina Central University Durham, NC
North Florida Community College Madison, FL
Northeastern Oklahoma A & M College Miami, OK
Northern New Mexico Community College Espanola, NM
Northland Community and Technical College Thief River Falls, MN
Northwest Christian College Eugene, OR
Northwest Nazarene University Nampa, ID
Northwestern College St. Paul, MN
Northwestern Oklahoma State University Alva, OK
Nova Southeastern University Fort Lauderdale, FL
Nyack College Nyack, NY
Oakland City University Oakland City, IN
Oakwood College Huntsville, AL
Okaloosa-Walton Community College Niceville, FL
Oklahoma City Community College Oklahoma City, OK
Our Lady of Holy Cross College New Orleans, LA
Ozarks Technical Community College Springfield, Mo
Pacific Graduate School of Psychology Palo Alto, CA
Patten College Oakland, CA
Peirce College Philadelphia, PA
Pennsylvania College of Technology Williamsport, PA
Pennsylvania Institute of Technology Media, PA
Peru State College Peru, NE
Phillips Community College of the University of Arkansas Helena, AR
Piedmont Technical College Greenwood, SC
Pine Technical College Pine City, MN
Pitt Community College Winterville, NC
Point Park College Pittsburgh, PA
Portland Community College Portland, OR
Prestonsburg Community College Prestonsburg, KY
Prince George’s Community College Largo, MD
Quest College Davenport, IA
Rio Salado College Tempe, AZ
Roberts Wesleyan College Rochester, NY
Rockingham Community College Wentworth, NC
Saint Peter’s College Jersey City, NJ
Salish Kootenai College Pablo, MT
Schenectady County Community College Schenectady, NY
Seward County Community College Liberal, KS
Siena Heights University Adrian, MI
Simpson College Redding, CA
South Piedmont Community College Ansonville, NC
Southeast Community College Lincoln, NE
Southeastern Illinois College Harrisburg, IL
Southeastern University Washington, DC
Southern Illinois University at Edwardsville Edwardsville, IL
Southern New Hampshire University Manchester, NH
Southern State Community College Hillsboro, OH
Southwestern College Chula Vista, CA
Southwestern Oklahoma State University Weatherford, OK
Southwestern Oregon Community College Coos Bay, OR
Spring Arbor College Spring Arbor, MI
St, Paul Technical College Saint Paul, MN
St. Cloud State University St Cloud, MN
St. Cloud Technical College St Cloud, MN
St. Gregory’s University Shawnee, OK
St. John Fisher College Rochester, NY
Stanly Community College Albemarle, NC
State Fair Community College Sedalia, MO
State University of New York College at Fredonia Fredonia, NY
State University of New York College at Oswego Oswego, NY
State University of New York College of Agriculture an Technology at Cobleskill, State University of New York Maritime College Throggs Neck, NY
Stone Child College Box Elder, MT
Surry Community College Dobson, NC
Sussex County Community College Newton, NJ
Taft College Taft, CA
Touro College New York, NY
Trinity Christian College Palos Heights, IL
Troy State University Troy, AL
Tulsa Community College Tulsa, OK
Tunxis Community College Farmington, CT
Ulster County Community College Stone Ridge, NY
Umpqua Community College Roseburg, OR
United States Sports Academy Daphne, AL
University Of Alabama Huntsville, AL
University of Arkansas at Monticello Monticello, AR
University of Arkansas Community College at Hope Hope, AR
University of Guam Mangilao, GU
University of Mary Bismarck, ND
University of Massachusetts Amherst Amherst, MA
University of Missouri — Rolla Rolla, MO
University of Montana — Missoula College of Technology Missoula, MT
University of Nebraska — Lincoln Lincoln, NE
University of Nevada — Las Vegas Las Vegas, NV
University of Nevada-Reno Reno, NV
University of New Haven West Haven, CT
University of New Orleans New Orleans, LA
University of North Carolina at Charlotte Charlotte, NC
University of North Carolina at Pembroke Pembroke, NC
University of Northwestern Ohio Lima, OH
University of Oklahoma — College of Cont. Ed. And Advanced Programs Norman
University of Oklahoma Norman, OK
University Of Phoenix Phoenix, AZ
University of Rio Grande Rio Grande, OH
University of Saint Francis Fort Wayne, IN
University of Sarasota — California Campus Orange, CA
University of Science and Arts of Oklahoma Chickasha, OK
University of South Carolina — Aiken Aiken, SC
University of South Carolina Spartanburg Spartanburg, SC
University of Southern Colorado — Division of Continuing Education Pueblo, CO
Upper Iowa University Fayette, IA
Valley City State University Valley City, ND
Vincennes University Vincennes, IN
Warner Pacific College Portland, OR
Wayne County Community College Detroit, MI
West Hills College Coalinga, CA
Western Kentucky University Bowling Green, KY
Western Oklahoma State College Altus, OK
Westminster College Fulton, MO
William Woods University — College of Graduate and Adult Studies Fulton, MO
Youngstown State University Youngstown, OH

 

In addition, ACE mainatains a list of approximately 1500 schools that accept NA credit if also ACE evaluated. I won't publish that list here because of its length, but here are some names that may surprise you:

Johns Hopkins University
George Washington University
Georgetown University
James Madison
George Mason
American University
University of New Orleans
Rutgers
Xavier
Texas State University
Texas State Technical College
Florida State
West Virginia State
American Military University
University of Wisconsin
University of Baltimore
Boston College
Capella
Excelsior
Thomas Edison
Charter Oak
California State
Mount St. Mary's
Nazareth College of Rochester
Charter Oak
Penn State

The list goes on and on, literally. You're making the assumption that acceptance is equal to quality, and that's a bad assumption.

Pug

 

AR 601-210 (16 May 2005) refers to accredited as institutions listed in the AIPE. AIPE lists all institutions accredited by a body recognized by either USDoE or CHEA (which includes DETC and numerous other NA bodies).

9-15d(1) is the paragraph regarding OCS -- it requires 90 hours (not a degree) from an institution listed by USDoE

The word combination "regional accreditation" or "regionally accredited" does not appear in AR 610-210 Regular Army and Army Reserve Enlistment Program.

I'm not qualified to interpret the policies of the other military services.

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For appointment as a Special Agent of the FBI, the agency states that "You must possess a four-year degree from a college or university accredited by one of the regional or national institutional associations recognized by the United States Secretary of Education."

That doesn't say "RA" and I find it highly unlikely that anyone posting here knows all of the details on all of the FBI hires of the past couple years in order to say "there are no employees with an NA degree".

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I'm sure the intention isn't to say that RA is better than NA. In my main field of music, it is generally an accepted fact of life that NASM accreditation is "better than" RA. I understand the situation is the same in the business world.

Just a few thoughts...

 

Impressive list!

Pug, Thanks for the list. I am surprised so many RA colleges accept NA credits.

It is surprising to me because some of the courses I've seen friends and family members take from NA institutions look very mickey mouse but I guess RA schools have their fair share of Mickey mouse courses as well!

You're right! Acceptance is not equal to quality!

 

Acceptance and Equality

This is more to enlighten Delta and whoever else was unhappy with RA universities accepting DETC NA or NA + ACE credits.

What about RA universities accepting Latin American universities credits ? some of these Latin American universities have professors or labs or courses certainly not equal to RA U.S. universities and colleges and yet their degrees or courses are accepted .

Did you know that , Delta ?

 

Re: Impressive list!

This is a relatively new phenomenon and it is certainly not status quo, IMO.

 

Huh?

Vnazaire,
What are you implying? That Latin American Universities are inferior to U.S. Universities?

I never even mentioned foreign schools.

 

Re: Re: Impressive list!

The list I posted was from 2002. I would guess the list is longer today than it was four years ago, and I expect it will be far longer four years from now than it is today. RA has been the only reliable, known standard in this country for a very long time. As more schools and more people become familiar with NA, more schools and more people will accept it. CHEA sees the two as being comparable, thus making recommendations for an equal credit transfer policy between them. More and more schools are agreeing with CHEA.

Pug

 

Latin American universities and NA

Delta,

I am not implying anything ! I am making you realize that a good many NA courses and degrees are equal or better than the majority of Latin American universities courses and degrees .

Why am I so sure ? I have travelled and met university students from these countries ( Mexico, Guatemala, Salvador, Nicaragua, etc). Without naming one country in particular, I have seen libraries in Latin American Universities where most High Schools in the U.S.A. and Canada have more books and equipment.

I am not trying to put them down but due to budget problems, most of these universities in Latin America do not have a real University library or textbooks for students. They have to take notes from the professor lectures or computer printouts.

And Yet their diplomas and degrees are accepted by RA universities . So, why not NA courses and degrees ?

So Delta, am I implying or telling like it is.

 

Re: Latin American universities and NA

It seems that you have not travelled enough. Some latin american Universities have a lot more equipment and resources than Canadian Schools

In particular, the ITESM in Monterrey Mexico has facilities that I haven't seen in any University in Montreal. The school in question has US RA by the southern association of schools and colleges and AACSB for its business school. The faculty of business has been ranked among the best of the world by the financial times and the wall street journal.

They also have one of the best DL programs in latin america.

Just to mention few, you have universities like INCAE, ITESM, ITAM, Getulio Vargas that would put into shame many of our Canadian schools.

I think it is not very responsible from your part to put down latin american schools in general without knowledge that some of them have been accredited by RA and AACSB standards.

 

~rubs hands together~

Oh awesome!

It's a good old fashion Canada vs. Mexico university throw-down.

 

on Latin American universities

RfValve
You are Missing the Point ; you are taking 3 or 4 universities in Mexico and saying I am putting them down.

Have you visited universities in Guatemala, in Cuba, in Nicaragua, in Bolivia , etc ?

Yes, SOME of Mexican universities are well equipped and RA but what about the LARGE MAJORITY of State Universities , not some private ones and the majority are State Universities.

You know very well what is the average salary of a doctor in Mexico and Guatemala and Salvador.

Have you visited these State universities libraries ? I have .
Have you visited these State universities laboratories ?

Telling the situation like it is without being politically correct is not putting them down ; it is deploring such a state due to their meagre finances.

My point is NA courses and degrees with great expensive textbooks are certainly equivalent to the products of STATE UNIVERSITIES in Latin America.

 

Re: on Latin American universities

Yes, I have visited Universities in Cuba, Mexico and Costa Rica.

First, not all the Latin American Universities would be accepted as RA equivalent by all the US universities or even in Canada. Not because a university has been recognized by a Latin American goverment, it would automatically be recognized in the US and Canada.

I know this as many students from Latin American countries suffer to get their education recognized in Canada and are forced to start from zero when wanting to continue their studies in Canada.

You are assuming that all Universities in Latin American are regarded as equal and they are not. Most major Universities in the US and Canada can recognize a good Latin American school.

In the case of the University where I work, we normally give the benefit of the doubt to a student coming from any unknown University. Some people come with transcripts from schools that are not even in the UNESCO book. We normally ask him or her to take independent studies and show us that he or she is able to handle graduate work. A good student would always show his or her background with good grades in his or her independent studies.

At the end of the day, if the student can handle the graduate work, why not allow him or her to continue regardless if his or her degree comes from Latin America, Europe, Africa or the Middle East?

 

Re: Re: on Latin American universities