masters in psychology

Discussion in 'Nursing and medical-related degrees' started by annie, Nov 17, 2001.

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  1. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    Well, I do have a Masters in Clinical Social Work with twelve years of practice as a licensed Psychotherapist. Personally, I think that qualifies. And yes, anyone can offer their opinions on this forum. If you had only stated this earlier, that all you were offering was "opinions" then I never would have challenged you. The problem was that you continued (until now) to state that you were providing "facts." Now that you have admitted that these were really just your personal opinions and not facts, I can go back to my humdrum routine. A good thing too, as my vacation is just about over.
    Jack
     
  2. simon

    simon New Member

    Response: Jack, again you have misinterpreted what I stated.

    I did not say that I was merely offering an opinion as a noncredentialed professional, but that ANYONE has a right to express their perspective regardless of their educational background. My point in conceding was to cease a thread that was becoming too personalized and drifting from its intent.

    I don't have to list my credentials HERE to prove the validity of my opinions. Nor am I going to get involved in contests with you because it is of no consequence to me or anyone else. In other words, Jack, I was'nt conceding because you WON but because this was becoming a nonsensical and pointless situation and I wanted out. As a licensed professional, I hope that you have the good sense to not compromise yourself further, call it a day and move on to more worthwhile situations where you can prove your worth. I do!
     
  3. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    Neither I nor my license is compromised by calling your bluff. As for moving on, for someone who repeatedly expresses interest in dropping the subject you sure seem intent on sticking around. See you around simon.
    Jack
     
  4. simon

    simon New Member

    Response: It is obvious that this issue has been a touchy one for you. So, are you ready to move on and call it a day since you have been sticking around too? I hope so.

    So Jack,
     
  5. irat

    irat New Member

    I seem to be confused by this thread. The original question was from Annie about obtaining a Masters degree and where that would fit into the work world. Annie really needs to check the state requirements of the professions she is interested in. In Vt. one can be a Licensed "school psychologist" with a Masters in psychology which includes an APA internship in a school and post masters supervision. However, the school licensure does not allow someone to have a private practice. That requires a separate license. The same is true of the Lic. school social worker. A school social worker is licensed through the Dept. of Ed. licensing. The clinical social worker is licensed through the Office of Professional Licensure.
    This thread has a great deal of discussion about qualifications to supervise various human services positions. I sit on the Board of a local mental health agency. The duties and roles of people with different licenses varies. The lic. psy. people report to a clinical psy. supervisor. The lic. SW people report to SW supervisors. The supervisors with different backgrounds report to a director who somehow manages them all. SWers do not report to psychologists and vice versa. Both the training and the jobs are different. When looking at various accrediting bodies it is always considered unethical and sometimes considered dangerous to have an unqualified clinical supervisor.
    There are many, many strands in the overall counseling field. Psychiatrists, Psychologists, Mental Health Clinicians, Social Workers, Alcohol & Drug Counselors, Certified Rehabiliation Counselors, family therapists, guidance counselors, school psychologists, school social wokers, etc. all of whom have different education requirements, ethics and licensing in most states.
    If I were Annie I would look at what I wanted to do for work, check the licensing in the state I want to work in, and find a program to match.
     
  6. Howard

    Howard New Member

    Simon, Simon, -- Jack and I are willing to quote you degrees and licenses as well as experience to validate our thoughts --- what, pray tell, is your rationale for not being as forthcoming. But, as IRAT says, "Annie, do check out where you want to be and see what degree and license will get you there." Please don't check with Simon, I don't believe he has either, just seems semi-well read in the area. I'm still trying to deal with the 125 supervision number.

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    Howard Rodgers
     
  7. simon

    simon New Member

     
  8. Howard

    Howard New Member

    Simon,
    You, my good man, are the one who has missed the point. If you were reading all the postings you would see that I have another posting asking for help in finding a school that would allow me to use my degree as a stepping stone into a PhD in Clinical Psych. I do not hold it to be the same, but would like clear, unbaised opinions as to the substantial differences. These differences would be more valid from someone who has a degree and is willing to share it; as well as someone who is licensed in an area of behavioral science and was willing to disclose it. You, for unknown reasons, simply ramble verbosely without any substantiation of your degrees or licenses.

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    Howard Rodgers
     
  9. simon

    simon New Member

    Howard: You, my good man, are the one who has missed the point.

    Simon: Really!

    Howard: If you were reading all the postings you would see that I have another posting asking for help in finding a school that would allow me to use my degree as a stepping stone into a PhD in Clinical Psych.

    Response: Lets stick to THIS thread and the topic at hand. No cop outs here, my good man. We are not discussing other topics that you might have presented but THIS one whereby a poster requested specific information regarding possible fields of study.

    Within this context, please refer to your postings dated 11/27, one at 6:12pm and the other at 7:44 pm. In no uncertain terms you attempt to convince yourself and other posters that all three disciplines are the same. In fact you clearly state that your doctorate in professional counseling is, in effect, equal to that of a degree in Clinical Psychology and that all three professions essentially perform the same tasks and are therefore on par. This is inaccurate information that is being presented as fact to posters who are seeking to understand the distinctions between these professions.

    Howard: I do not hold it to be the same, but would like clear, unbaised opinions as to the substantial differences.

    Response: From what I noted above and based on other postings you made within THIS thread, it is unquestionable that you hold them to be the same. In addition, it is my impression that you have not displayed the unbiased opinion that you are seeking from others in regard to this distinction between these professions.

    Howard: These differences would be more valid from someone who has a degree and is willing to share it; as well as someone who is licensed in an area of behavioral science and was willing to disclose it.

    Simon: This hyper-intellectualization is evading the bottomline. As you note in your own words in this posting, you were seeking to gain entrance to a Clinical Psychology doctoral program. The very fact that you wished to take this step is quite evident of your being aware of the differences, similarities and distinction between these fields.

    Howard: You, for unknown reasons, simply ramble verbosely without any substantiation of your degrees or licenses.

    Simon: Howard, you state that you possess a doctorate in Professional Counseling. Why don't you put it to good use by applying it in a maturationally appropriate manner instead of rambling verbosely regarding a topic that has been totally exhausted.
     
  10. David Williams

    David Williams New Member

    I wasn’t able to ascertain from your response whether social workers in Alabama are privileged to administer or actually interpret psychological tests. So I looked up the relevant statute which reads as follows:

    (4) Psychosocial Assessment. The determination of psychosocial functioning involves a comprehensive process, assessment and evaluation conducted by the social worker in order to learn about the client. It includes four levels of analysis: the individual; the interpersonal system; the family unit and the family’s interchanges with its social network; and other environmental or ecological factors. Interviewing is the major tool of psychosocial assessment. Psychosocial assessment does not include making diagnoses, or interpreting of psychological tests.

    One of my colleagues was recently approached to teach a course on psychological testing for social workers for the local MSW program.. The intent is to equip the social worker with information about what testing can and cannot do, not to teach assessment per se. I wonder if this is the sort of exposure the social work students you supervise have had? It seems strange that a university would teach a skill that is proscribed in the State practice act.
     
  11. simon

    simon New Member

    It is possible that some graduate social work departments may offer an overview of the psychological testing process to familiarize students with this function. However, in terms of scope of practice, psychological testing and interpretation is not within the domain of social work. A review of the MSW and doctoral level degree program curriculums of the University of Alabama clearly indicate that there are'nt any course offerings in psychological testing, administration or interpretation.

    In addition, the Occupational Outlook Handbook, 2000-01 online edition, states the following tasks as being within the domain of the scope of practice for graduate level social workers with a specialization in mental health:

    "MH Social Workers provide services for persons with mental or emotional problems. Such services include individual and group therapy, outreach crisis intervention, social rehabilitation and training in skills of everyday living. They may also perform supportive services to ease patients return to the community".
     
  12. irat

    irat New Member

    Getting back to Annie's question about obtaining a Master of Psychology degree to work as a school psychologist and private practice... I think the goal should be to meet the APA standard for a degree in psychology with specialization in school psychology. That would allow Annie to do psycho/education testing as well as have a private practice. Antioch has programs which might work in some states. However, they involve classroom time, face to face supervision, and APA approved internships. The courses required for licensure either in educational psychology or in counseling psychology are usually spelled out in each state and are based on the APA standards.
    All the best!
     
  13. picklehead

    picklehead New Member

    I was hoping to learn about a Psych grad degree

    This thread was hijacked ... Not placing blame folks but, why bother to quibble.
     
  14. emmzee

    emmzee New Member

    This thread was also from 2001 ... why revive it?
     
  15. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    For the benefit of those who haven't tried to create a new thread lately, when you enter a title for your new thread, this thing automatically generates a list of old threads of same/similar title. So that might explain why so many old threads are being resurrected of late. On the other hand, that doesn't explain why the individual who resurrected the thread didn't ask his/her question, rather than merely noting that this thread had gotten derailed.
     
  16. picklehead

    picklehead New Member

    OOOOPPPppssss..

    :)WOW, I did not realize that I was resurrecting an eight year old argument. Now that's funny. It has been years since I frequented this board. Seems to have really slowed down. I will make an effort to not comment on any old threads in the future.
     
  17. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    bumpity....
     
  18. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    OK, I'll bite . . . . . . why?
     
  19. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Sorry for the delayed response, but I'll answer. I have of late been toying with the idea of making a Sticky on my position on necromanced threads and I remembered that I had made my true views on necromanced threads in this thread. By the way, my views on necromanced threads are not nearly as negative as some may think considering all the times that I responded to necromanced threads with the saying, "And who necromanced this old thread ... and why?"
     

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