Women Paid to Testify Against President Trump

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  1. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Full story:
    Exclusive: Lawyer sought donor's to payoff Trump accusers
     
  2. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    "A well-known women's right's attorney..."

    No need to read any further to know where this is going. Feminism started off with a great concept of equal rights for women. But it's since devolved into a personality cult hellbent on hating men, attacking men, and taking every right away from men that they possibly can while trying to cram pseudoscience down our throats that tells us women can do everything a man can when real science has long proven that to be totally false in the same way that a man cannot do everything a woman can. And just when you think it can't get any worse, the feminazis encourage authorities to enact laws that force men against their own nature (see "manspreading" nonsense).

    When a person says they're a feminist today, I react the same way I do when a person says they're a Ku Klux Klan member.
     
  3. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    The prime minister of Canada, he just came out as a feminist. I am no fan of him, but I think most reasonable people are feminists in that vein. Lisa Bloom is not feminist when she was being paid big bucks to hurt women who were victims she had no qualms about it.
    For her effort, she was talking a substantial percentage. Thus she won't have any interest in women who will give their stories for free.

    If the price is right she'll be working for the klan against women who are victims.

    One of the good things about this current environment is that high-profile people are being exposed as frauds. Regardless of we being left or right, this development is good for us.
     
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  4. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    If the movement ideology of feminism had remained sane, fair, balanced, and honest all of this time, I would agree with you without argument. But it's become a hate cult complete with all the misinformation, doublespeak and pseudoscience one is accustomed to hearing from hate cults. People who hold true to what feminism was supposed to be at its purest, I can respect, but I'd rather be called a human rights activist than a feminist simply because everything surrounding that term has been so tainted beyond repair.

    Being a person who rightfully distrusts mainstream media and Hollywood, I have strong reservations about the validity of all of the allegations. I'm certain there are plenty legitimate claims, but I also believe there is plenty of exaggeration, mischaracterization, and vindictive/greed motive there as well. A lot of women making accusations were benefitting directly from the men they accused but only are now choosing to make a deal of it when the well has dried up. You have to question things like that.

    When I worked as a W-2 employee in the business sector, I was sexually harassed a number of times, verbally and physically by women. I listened to women make sexist remark after sexist remark day in and day out about men with total impunity, be they boss or standard worker. What I'm getting at is that this isn't right for either gender, but in my experience I watched women get away with this constantly while men got the hammer dropped on them. I could've spoken up and fought back but I knew no one would take me seriously especially since most of my bosses were women some of whom were participating in this behavior. That said, I'm certainly not going to circle back 10-15-20 years and say "Boss X harrassed me X amount of years ago". I feel like, either handle it then, or get therapy if you can't let it go afer so many years. My only exception to this is if you were actually raped, in which case I'm fine with someone coming back and coming forward.
     
  5. FTFaculty

    FTFaculty Well-Known Member

    No one sexually harasses me. Not even my wife! This might be because I'm a middle-aged, slightly paunchy, gradually graying guy.
     
  6. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    he he! :smile:
     
  7. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Hmmm... Leave it to the champion of the rational gender to step right over the Godvin's Law before the first opponent even shows up. And do it for the holy goal of standing up for the right to manspread.
    Just a test: could you please give proper citations of the "real science" you refer to? Is it scientific consensus?

    P. S. As every political movement, feminism has its own professional "warriors" who step right over boundaries of rationality. But at the core, it's still a movement for equality. Even if I found any fault with generalized "feminists", "anti-feminists" would be worse still. Same with LGBT activists (an uneven bunch at best) vs. roymoores and bothered-by-pride-parade's of the world. Or BLM vs. KKK.
     
  8. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Hehe. Same with me, a middle aged, gradually balding, severely overweight guy here. Besides, most of my career I live in fields where men dominate (IT, mostly). However, I'm not sure I can believe there's whole fields where women have enough power to consistently get away with this stuff (nursing? catholic religious schools?). Anecdotally, anything exists, of course. Except women presidents, apparently (or Prime Ministers here - and please, don't retort with "Kim Campbell". With all due respect, she is such an outlier she might as well be set up as a token on purpose).
     
  9. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    So, you think that men should have the right to sexually harass women?
     
  10. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    The problem is that feminism isn't just a call for women to be treated fairly. Nobody would have much objection to that.

    Feminism's turned itself into an entire philosophical worldview, a hugely critical and subversive worldview that condemns all of prior intellectual history, in all cultures at all times, for being intolerably androcentric. The feminist approach to any issue whatsoever is to conceive of it through the conceptual lens of what they call 'gender'. Since 'gender' is supposedly the axial concept in every subject, and since 'gender' is supposedly 'socially constructed', the argument becomes that every aspect of both civilization and intellectual life is not only socially constructed, but socially constructed in the most evil and reprehensible ways. So all traditions and all intellectual history must be overturned, deconstructed and condemned.

    And that in turn turns into an attack on the whole idea of objective reality (which is supposed to be an irredeemably male concept) rendering the whole idea of knowledge, truth and by implication natural science morally suspect.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_epistemology

    I think that women should be able to attempt to do anything men do. (Or better yet, create some new tasks and institutional roles that men might might want to attempt.) But in some instances men or women might be better suited (on average) for different tasks.

    Once we have redefined 'sex' as 'gender', and 'gender' as 'socially constructed', biology drops out of consideration entirely. Everybody's 'gender' becomes a personal choice or a matter of (evil) cultural assignment. Never mind the differences in sexual anatomy or the cellular sex chromosomes. Biological science is part of the old objective reality that's well and truly gone. There's no more 'How things really are', there's just 'How we imagine things to be', which must be totally transformed and remade. Everything is subjective now.

    That's what the current hysteria about "transgender" is all about, why transvestites have been embraced as revolutionaries by the social-justice-warriors, and why the cutting edge of activism is about eliminating men's and women's restrooms.
     
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  11. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    See, you have this coherent, clear, and well reasoned little essay hanging on standing for truth and objective reality. And you start it with a factual statement that's blatantly false. Should I therefore parse through the rest to see if anything there is worth responding to? Why?

    "Feminist epistemology" is a case of humanities academia getting into natural science where they're wholly incompetent. (BTW, when natural science guys do humanities it is equally ridiculous). When philosophy was exclusively done by men, they successfully produced garbage that's not any better. The fact that you seem to be offended much more by the feminist version of postmodernist crap is predicted perfectly by, ironically, feminist theory. Which is Marxist by methodology and I would gladly reject it if people didn't keep confirming it. Sigh.

    And, sorry to say that, there are aspects of "gender" that are clearly socially constructed. And that affects people's thinking: that is how people can defend "manspreading" as "natural" and do not notice the existence of objects like eg. the stiletto shoe.
     
  12. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    So they should. What would happen is it'll turn out women can, indeed, do these tasks. Not all women: as in almost everything, individual variances will be greater that group ones. Not in all jobs: excluding made-up ones like professional sports.

    Most of my life I made my living by doing computer programming. This role is remarkable in how it transitioned completely from predominantly female to predominantly male, just as it became vastly better paid, more independent, and, frankly, easier because of tools. The same exact thing happened with accounting back home, as it became more in demand and more respected due to transition to market economy. As nursing transitions from "paraprofessional" to a full fledged profession, people suddenly noticed how it shouldn't be exclusively female. Same with teaching. Funny how "nature" works that way, time and again.
     
  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yeah, but you can change ALL that, pronto, if you really want to. But I suspect you might be enjoying the status quo more. :smile: You could get fit, dye your hair and buy a sports car! Hang out in the right places and you'd likely be "harassed" beyond your wildest dreams!

    Hmm - leather jacket and guitar might be in order, too. Motorcycle optional. And carefully curated tattoos. Women don't really love bad boys - at least smart women don't. But many DO dig the "bad boy" IMAGE. Have fun - if you really want to, that is! :smile:

    J.
     
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  14. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    I'll take that as a joke because over the years I've read you to be a rational person who wouldn't expect someone to seriously dignify such a question.
     
  15. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Yeeeeahhhh... That reply is scary: partly for the melodrama... but mostly because you actually see "manspreading" as anything other than a total non-issue overreacted to by feminists who've obviously run out of real causes to fight for, who hate men and have no respect for their anatomy, but you know, who cares about respecting men? Only women deserve respect and dignity in western society, so no problem there... business as usual...

    I see what you're trying to do there, but the test fails on two counts:

    1. It doesn't apply since I never mentioned any topics connected to it. What specifically would you be expecting a citation of without specific topics having been mentioned? Nevermind, here is an easy one: "Women can do everything a man can do!" except women are biologically on average physically smaller, slower, and weaker (you don't need a citation for that, you're more than educated enough to know this) so that idea is easily defeated in a simple argument of athletic ability.

    2. I also said that a man cannot do everything a woman can do (this wasn't one-sided). Never seen a man give birth before (that's kiiiinda important to the survival of humanity)... Don't need a citation for that either...

    Certainly, every movement has an extreme end, but too often over this generation the leaders of this movement and the key organizations of this movement have betrayed the idea of a simple quest for equality by their own extreme words and actions. I understand the need for one who identifies as a feminist to want to romanticize the past and connect it with the present, but like many movements, over time, it degraded. In other words, this isn't your grandmother's feminism. Things have changed and not for the better. It's virtually impossible to find any great amount of feminist material today that isn't blatantly or passive-aggressively misandrous, dishonest, or one-sided, or all of the above. If feminism today were just a humble, compassionate movement for equal rights, you'd see feminism as a movement rally behind men and help them through dire issues that impact them more than women, like the incredibly disproportionate male suicide rate for one big example. But feminism is mum on that because as a movement it is hypocritical and selfish: it's unconcerned with men's issues, yet they expect men to be concerned with theirs. If a man is not, he is a "misogynist", there is no middle ground. No such hammer is ever dropped in the other direction however. Heck, my version of a very popular web browser doesn't even recognize misandry as an actual word.
     
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  16. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    okay .....
     
  17. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Manspreading is a punchline more than anything else. It's a way to point to male entitlement that is, literally, on display. And how people still miss it when it's pointed out. And I'm guessing here, but your appeal to "anatomy" might not resonate with humans who are familiar with what passes for women' shoes and nylon stockings. Besides, the spreading pose is convenient because of lower body muscles and bones that are exactly the same on women - it's the feeling of entitlement that is not.

    1a. So don't bring "science" if you're not willing to make it precise. Easy.
    1b. Funny how people make "athletic ability" argument, completely missing the fact that perhaps the historically female occupation is "nurse". And it doesn't get any more physical than handling an obese unresponsive human body. Women did all kinds of physically demanding jobs from the dawn of time.
    1c. My sister is 6ft 3in. former All American volleyball player, and my daughters are pretty much the tallest in their classes. I'm extremely interested in what you have to say about "averages".

    2. Terrific. Join the sisterhood in fighting for maternal health and childcare. And parental (both parents) leave.

    Yeah, how dare they not to conform to your ideas on how they should stand up for their rights.

    1. I chuckle on the idea of a "humble rights movement". "Please sir, may I have more?"
    2. Any feminist worth her salt will rip you a new one for the notion that you can demand a feminist fight for men. Typical, she'll say, shoehorning of a woman into the caretaker role. And she'll be right, you know.
    3. Also, you'll learn that a suicide rate of men is due to rigid gender roles, that do in fact harm men as well as women. Then she'll read your apology for gender roles as biologically determined, shrug and move on.
    4. There's no symmetry. Men don't commonly carry pepper spray in their purses, just for one.
     
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