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    Lightbulb Kaepernick says he’ll stand for anthem if given chance to play in NFL again

    CBS reporter Jason La Canfora said that Colin Kaepernick, the former 49ers quarterback who started the protest of kneeling during the national anthem before NFL games, will now stand during the anthem, IF he is given a chance to play in the NFL again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    CBS reporter Jason La Canfora said that Colin Kaepernick, the former 49ers quarterback who started the protest of kneeling during the national anthem before NFL games, will now stand during the anthem, IF he is given a chance to play in the NFL again.

    Click here to hear CBS reporter Jason La Canfora.
    It looks like fake news.

    Kaepernick's girlfriend claimed he never said it and then CBS retracted it.

    CBS Retracts Story that Kaepernick Would Stand for Anthem if Signed - Breitbart

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    News reporting is dead. Long live the click-bait word salad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhp View Post
    News reporting is dead. Long live the click-bait word salad.
    LOL that is so true! Here is news that has already been released, but it's still interesting:

    1. Vice President Mike Pence leaves Colts-49ers game after players kneel during anthem

    2. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones: Any player who is 'disrespectful to the flag' won't be allowed to play

    3. Dolphins owner Steve Ross now wants players to stand for anthem, coach Adam Gase makes it a rule
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    A real leader would have talked to the players and listened to their point of view, regardless of whether he agreed with them or not. Pence showing up knowing full well that he was planning to leave right away was just a media stunt that I would call "cheap" if it hadn't cost taxpayers a bundle in security costs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    A real leader would have talked to the players and listened to their point of view, regardless of whether he agreed with them or not. Pence showing up knowing full well that he was planning to leave right away was just a media stunt that I would call "cheap" if it hadn't cost taxpayers a bundle in security costs.
    Yeah, that was a huge PR stunt that was planned out already. I agree that was a costly stunt. Boy, these drain the swamp guys sure play fast and loose with other people's money.
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    Trump is busy tweeting about the NFL but he makes no mention of American troops just killed in Niger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    Trump is busy tweeting about the NFL but he makes no mention of American troops just killed in Niger.

    https://sofrep.com/91421/op-ed-trump...oldiers-niger/
    Not only that, maybe he should worry more about possibly starting WW III with North Korea. Geez! What a moron!
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    There's no reason to listen to anything that pro football players have to say. If they want to say "Fuck America", the best response is probably just to tune them and their game out. We aren't obligated to watch pro football. The only reason to pay attention is if it's fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abner View Post
    Not only that, maybe he should worry more about possibly starting WW III with North Korea. Geez! What a moron!

    That "moron" is responding to threats from North Korea. It's about time that someone did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heirophant View Post
    There's no reason to listen to anything that pro football players have to say. If they want to say "Fuck America", the best response is probably just to tune them and their game out. We aren't obligated to watch pro football. The only reason to pay attention is if it's fun.
    But, that's not what they're saying, and you don't know that because you're not listening. I saw a poll that showed that 82% of black Americans agree with the protest, but I guess you believe that black Americans should just be ignored by the president and vice president. Well, we're used to being ignored. If this administration actually cared about being the administration for all Americans, then they would listen to the football players because their views are in line with those of tens of millions black Americans.
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    I saw an other poll that showed that 83% of black Americans have only a vague idea what the kneeling is all about.

    So my 83 beats your 82. :D

    By setting up a response of "you're not listening" it is an immediate short circuit to no discourse.

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    Lightbulb Sports fan says: "If you kneel, then I walk [out]"

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    A real leader would have talked to the players and listened to their point of view, regardless of whether he agreed with them or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Abner View Post
    Yeah, that was a huge PR stunt that was planned out already.
    The actions of Vice President Pence spoke volumes and accomplished more than what a "lecture" could ever hope to achieve. Actions speak louder than words. It's a two-way street, isn't it?

    The First Amendment prevents the government from jailing athletes who exercise their free speech rights. However, the First Amendment does not prevent the owner of a corporation from terminating the employment of an athlete who refuses to abide by company rules.

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    A real [government] leader would have talked to the players...
    It was a private football game (not run by the government), so a government leader does not have the authority to commandeer the privately owned microphone to "lecture" athletes (unless the owner invites him to do so).
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    Quote Originally Posted by heirophant View Post
    There's no reason to listen to anything that pro football players have to say. If they want to say "Fuck America", the best response is probably just to tune them and their game out. We aren't obligated to watch pro football. The only reason to pay attention is if it's fun.

    Quote Originally Posted by sanantone View Post
    ... you believe that black Americans should just be ignored by the president and vice president...
    1. Athletes kneel.
    2. Vice President Pence walks.
    3. Sports fans protest by not buying tickets.

    It's the American way and it has nothing to do with "believing that Black Americans should be ignored." That's apples and oranges. What you see unfolding is a form of protest -- to include people walking out of sports events or refusing to buy tickets. It's the way the system should work.

    Quote Originally Posted by sanantone View Post
    We [Black Americans are] used to being ignored.
    There is unequivocally an issue with prejudice and reverse-prejudice in the United States. Anyone who will not admit it is either sheltered, blind or is a liar. It's different for everyone. There are some rich sheltered White people who have genuinely not seen or experienced prejudice. They are genuinely blind to it because they've been sheltered from it, due to their elevated socioeconomic insulation. Conversely, there are people of color who hate Whites, simply because they are White. What is the answer?

    Communists take advantage of deep seated hatred that is rooted in culture. Communists foment cultural hatreds by trying to create uprisings (antifa), revolts and chaos. It is in and from chaos that Communists seek to bring order -- and to rise in governmental power. It's a classic demonic strategy that is as old as the ancient serpent. Divide and then conquer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanantone View Post
    But, that's not what they're saying, and you don't know that because you're not listening.
    I've probably been paying attention to this longer than you have, since I follow the San Francisco 49ers. Here's what Colin Kaepernick told the press then he first refused to stand for the national anthem:

    "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color"

    That's very clear, a rejection not only of the flag and the national anthem, but of the country for which they stand.

    Other players have subsequently said that the fact that they are celebrities and have the media pointed at them gives them a big stage, and they wanted to make use of the attention they receive to make a statement.

    And most recently, the standing but linking arms thing seems to symbolize that 'We are a band of brothers out there on the field, we fight and defend each other, and none of this will divide us'.

    Vice President Pence used his celebrity, the fact that media was trained on him, to make his own statement. Because of his position, he represents the United States of America.

    The difference between his statement and that of the players, is that his was made on behalf of a common identity, a common loyalty that should unite us, something that everyone (black, white, rich, poor, Republican, Democrat) supposedly share in common. Playing the national anthem at football games symbolizes that even though there's going to be a little war out there on the football field this afternoon, it's just a game and in real life we are all members of a bigger team.
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    If Kaepernick had something to offer NFL teams, he'd have a job by now. His talent level just isn't even close enough to offset the distractions he'd bring, and the fury from a lot of the fans.

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