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    Bannon v. McConnell

    Q - What do you do when your party is so divided that you can't pass any legislation?
    A - Make it worse.

    Bannon rails against GOP 'elites' working against Trump in 'Hannity' interview | Fox News
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    It's odd that you show no interest in the patent lies behind this fiasco: https://amgreatness.com/2017/09/25/a-lying-quartet/

    Where is the investigation of the fraudulent Russian dossier that apparently served as excuse for the investigation? An investigation that is supposedly about Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election but that attacks only the Trump campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    Q - What do you do when your party is so divided that you can't pass any legislation?
    Vote out legislators who fail to represent the will of the voters and replace them.

    It's called Democracy, Kizmet. It's what that voting thing is all about, and why it exists.

    This Senate special election illustrated several points.

    First, that Donald Trump wasn't elected because he was Donald Trump, some larger than life TV celebrity. Trump supported Luther Strange, even campaigned for him, but Strange still lost by double digits. So there wasn't any cult-of-personality around Trump the man.

    Second, that Donald Trump was elected because he was the only candidate in the last election cycle (including the Republican primaries) to give voice to issues that half the public were passionately concerned about. This election sends a message to Mr. Trump (and to Jared and the other swamp-creatures in his administration) that if they stray too far from the people's agenda, to the point of seeming to abandon it, then his base aren't automatically going to march behind him to the left and will vote for candidates that they find more attractive.

    And third, it sends a message to other Republican legislators that the populist revolution at the Republican grass-roots is a force to be reckoned with, and that in many cases their own political survival depends more than they would like to admit on paying attention to those who elect them. (As opposed to being co-opted by the Washington beltway subculture.)

    Especially in the House of Representatives, gerrymandering has created hundreds of 'safe' districts, designed to group Republicans or Democrat voters together. (It's why Nancy Pelosi is Congresswoman-for-life and able to run a political machine in SF.) So Congresspeople have been elected and reelected over and over, to the point where they feel little need to pay any attention to their constituents. I think that's breaking down on both sides of the aisle, making many of these supposedly safe districts competitive again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heirophant View Post
    It's called Democracy, Kizmet. It's what that voting thing is all about, and why it exists.
    Thanks for the condescending civics lesson. Perhaps you'll be reminded of it in 2018 and 2020 when the Republicans lose out because they can't follow through with any of their campaign promises.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    Thanks for the condescending civics lesson. Perhaps you'll be reminded of it in 2018 and 2020 when the Republicans lose out because they can't follow through with any of their campaign promises.


    That's the outcome we want. If they don't do what we want them to do, why we voted for them in the first place, then we vote them out.


    Democrats on the other hand, double down on stupidity. Which is why when you look at the list of longest running seantors and representatives, it's dominate by Democrats (and it's not even close).


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    Ok. I guess that when the time comes we'll see just how big that "we" is. Maybe big enough to unseat some incumbents, maybe not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    Ok. I guess that when the time comes we'll see just how big that "we" is. Maybe big enough to unseat some incumbents, maybe not.

    It really is hard to tell, as we saw from the last elections. I think voting people out when they don't do what you want is the greatest testament to our Democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    Thanks for the condescending civics lesson.
    Where it's needed.

    Perhaps you'll be reminded of it in 2018 and 2020 when the Republicans lose out because they can't follow through with any of their campaign promises.
    Some Republican Congressmen and Senators (hard to say how many) probably will lose out in the Republican primaries if their record is perceived as not reflecting the will of the voters. Hopefully a few midterm election losses like Luther Strange's in AL will focus their minds a bit, before wholesale house-cleaning becomes necessary.

    But Republican voters' evident dissatisfaction regarding establishment Republican politicians isn't likely to translate to any large movement of Trump voters towards the Democrats in the general election. The Democrats represent everything that Trump's electoral coalition is opposed to and rebelling against.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heirophant View Post
    Where it's needed.
    Well, if you feel the need to be condescending then that says more about you than it does about me.
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