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    Iowa Republicans are furious and confused over Trump's reported DACA deal

    XVI.8: Confucius said, "There are three things of which the superior man stand in awe. He stands in awe of the ordinances of Heaven. He stands in awe of great men. He stands in awe of the words of the sages. The mean man does not know the ordinances of Heaven, and consequently does not stand in awe of them. He is disrespectful to great men. He makes sport of the words of the sages."

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    So, no transparent solar-powered wall?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    So, no transparent solar-powered wall?
    He he! The wall is going to be beautiful, remember?
    XVI.8: Confucius said, "There are three things of which the superior man stand in awe. He stands in awe of the ordinances of Heaven. He stands in awe of great men. He stands in awe of the words of the sages. The mean man does not know the ordinances of Heaven, and consequently does not stand in awe of them. He is disrespectful to great men. He makes sport of the words of the sages."

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    Don't count out Trump.

    No, wait, please do. That's when he does his best work. Just ask Hillary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    Don't count out Trump.
    No one is counting him out. He's the one who made the deal. He gave up on the wall and gave a free pass to the dreamers. Of course, it's not a done deal yet. The Republicans might come out of the fog long enough mess it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    The Republicans might come out of the fog long enough mess it up.
    I believe that's what he's planning on happening. If not, he can just back-out of the deal; what are the Democrats going to do, hate him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    what are the Democrats going to do, hate him?
    No that won't help anything. But they might point out that 1) he has once again said one thing and then done another and 2) once again failed to accomplish anything. If the Republicans succeed in derailing this agreement between Trump and the Democrats then they're all right back where they started: no wall, no border security deal, a ticking clock on DACA and no new money for Houston/Florida. Not exactly something to celebrate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    No that won't help anything. But they might point out that 1) he has once again said one thing and then done another and 2) once again failed to accomplish anything. If the Republicans succeed in derailing this agreement between Trump and the Democrats then they're all right back where they started: no wall, no border security deal, a ticking clock on DACA and no new money for Houston/Florida. Not exactly something to celebrate.
    President Trump could cure cancer, and the Democrats would accuse him of practicing medicine without a license.

    There's an old Army saying, "Everyone already thinks you're an asshole, so you might as well reap the benefits". The Democrats have been desperately trying to paint Trump as the second coming of Adolf Hitler since the election, so he has literally nothing to lose if he screws them. What are they going to do, go on CNN, MSNBC, and the other usual suspects to bash him?

    It's the Boy Who Cried Wolf; every single day, the left goes into hyper-hysterical mode with their bashing and predictions of doom; the average American has tuned them out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    I believe that's what he's planning on happening. If not, he can just back-out of the deal; what are the Democrats going to do, hate him?
    Are you trying to tell me that the only thing that can motivate Trump to keep his word is the prospect of external validation? I believe you're right. More disturbingly, it sounds like you agree with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    President Trump could cure cancer, and the Democrats would accuse him of practicing medicine without a license.
    What would it take for you to disapprove anything he does?

    We are in an education -oriented forum. There were long discussions about, for example, Kennedy-Western; most of us had no trouble recognizing it for a scam it was. Now comes Trump University, a criminal scam 10 times worse than KW, and you can't find fault in it. I think that's because you're in a cult.
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    [QUOTE=Bruce;511292]President Trump could cure cancer, and the Democrats would accuse him of practicing medicine without a license.[QUOTE]

    It's an interesting point. Get back to me when he does it. Also, get back to me when he does anything, anything at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    It's an interesting point. Get back to me when he does it. Also, get back to me when he does anything, anything at all.
    Besides getting rid of hundreds of business-choking regulations, Trump has been quite busy accomplishing things behind the scenes, so much so that even CNN has been forced to admit it.

    Democrats are pulling their hair out over this (Opinion) - CNN
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    Yeah, that whole "picking names out of a hat" thing must be exhausting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    But they [Democrats] might point out that 1) he has once again said one thing and then done another and 2) once again failed to accomplish anything.
    Which would accomplish what, exactly? Democrats already hate him. You don't need additional Democratic and MSM (and Degreeinfo discussion board) rhetoric to accomplish that.

    If the goal is to influence Trump's base, it's unlikely that anything Democrats could possibly say would influence his supporters very much. Democratic rhetoric has been so hysterial and insane already that Trump supporters don't listen to it or assign it any credibility.

    The thing with Trump is that he negotiates by floating strong negotiating positions at the beginning, designed to shape the battlefield so to speak. If he wants Europeans to shoulder more of the NATO burden, something that they have historically shirked in confidence that the US will always protect them (as they insult us), Trump floats the idea that the US security guarantee is conditional on our allies living up to their responsibilities and that we might conceivably end up walking away from it. So the hysteria and consternation start, all the over-wrought rhetoric about how America is abandoning the postwar order. But subsequent talks take place in the context of what is at stake, the Europeans get the message and start planning to increase their defense contributions. Which is what Trump wanted in the first place.

    In these negotiations with the Democrats, Trump seems to me to be playing the opposite game. He's suggesting that if Democrats play ball with him, they will get some things they want very badly. So now the negotiation takes place in the shadow of what might be won by cooperating, not what might be lost by failure to cooperate. It remains to be seen whether this gambit will result in any success.

    If he gives away too much, Trump can certainly lose the support of his base, probably more easily than many Democrats think. Contrary to all the bullshit, his base doesn't support Trump because he's Trump, they support him because he's the only person out there who speaks to their issues. If Trump ever walks away from those issues, his base could walk away from him.

    But if that happened, it wouldn't really serve the Democrats' interests, since members of Trump's base disillusioned by something he's done aren't likely to flock to the Democrats. (Unless the Democrats become something very different than they currently are.) What we would see is the appearance of challengers on Trump's right, candidates who strive to appeal to Trump's base more effectively than Trump himself.

    If the Republicans succeed in derailing this agreement between Trump and the Democrats
    It isn't "the Republicans" who want to derail it. They support DACA and amnesty. The Bushes, Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan, the Wall Street Journal and the lobbyists and the punditocracy. They are in bed with the Democrats on this one.

    But Trump didn't win the Republican primaries and then the general election by being a clone of the Republican establishment. I think that he's well aware of that.

    then they're all right back where they started: no wall, no border security deal, a ticking clock on DACA and no new money for Houston/Florida. Not exactly something to celebrate.
    Again, that might sound hopeful to Democrats who already hate Trump and don't need any convincing. But Trump's supporters see that he's taking on both the Democrats and the establishment Republicans and they see the almost insane hostility he's generating. I think that his base is willing to cut him a lot of slack for not accomplishing all of their agenda. Who would do any better? The Democrats??

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    Quote Originally Posted by heirophant View Post
    I think that his base is willing to cut him a lot of slack for not accomplishing all of their agenda.
    Yes, but are they going to continue to support him if he doesn't accomplish any of their agenda? Because so far that's the situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    Yeah, that whole "picking names out of a hat" thing must be exhausting.
    You really think that's how the process works?
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