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    ...as a Ukrainian-Russian foreigner who constantly criticizes the President of the United States...

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    ...whether he's right or wrong....
    SteveFoerster, your point is understood, but the contrast remains nonetheless ironic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    me again, you look so weak every time you bring this up. It simply doesn't relate to whether he's right or wrong.
    I agree with that.
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    Thumbs down Comey is dirty

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    I agree with that.
    Abner, do you believe that Comey incriminated himself?

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    Comey also drafted his exoneration letter to clear Hillary Rodham Clinton of all allegations of criminal activity, prior to interviewing her and prior to interviewing key witnesses. That is shoddy political showboating that has no place in law enforcement . At a minimum, the suspect and witnesses should be interviewed, prior to announcing the conclusion of a case.

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    I suspect you misinterpret that source. Do you have one?

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    Stanislav, you can see with your eyes and hear with your ears the video of Comey incriminating himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    As for the original story;

    CNN ran a story that's highly critical of a decision by President Trump?!?

    N-O

    W-A-Y!!!!!!!

    You missed the fact that the "biggest mistake" is a direct quote from Steve Bannon. Not from "source" either: he said it in a TV interview. CNN, and everyone else, reports it simply because Bannon criticizing his God Emperor is clearly newsworthy (he brags how loyal he is to Trump in that very interview), and because he was an ultimate insider. So yeah, hilarious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Stanislav, you can see with your eyes and hear with your ears the video of Comey incriminating himself.
    Yeah, see, first of all, I watched that testimony live, just like a gazillion people did. You made it sound as if he leaked material from his own investigation, which he did not. Also, you made it sound as a justification for firing, which would violate the fundamental principle that cause always predates the effect and unravel the very fabric of reality. As to whether it was "incriminating" (I'm not quite sure it's "leaking" if he shared his own unclassified memo, but that's semantics): if it is, DoJ can try to prosecute. Somehow I don't think this is happening.

    You know, old Soviet joke stated that one can't be an honest, intelligent Party member: only two of these three things. This was not technically true because many joined as a check-in-box for nonpolitical career, and not always voluntary. My grandfather was pressured to join the Communist Party, because his Institute's PartCom couldn't bear having a PhD scientist, decorated War veteran, who was not a member; it was unbecoming. However, Trumpist is a voluntary self-identity. I think the joke works even better for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Stanislav, God Himself put President Donald J. Trump into office. When you resist President Trump, you resist God Himself.
    Well, that sounds legit. I mean, there were many pervert conmen who were holy men. Charlie Manson comes to mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    ...whether he's right or wrong....
    SteveFoerster, your point is understood i.e. it’s important not to sink into the chat-gutter with nonsensical comments that do not benefit anyone.

    "Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer every one."
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    Sometimes the best response is no response.

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    I mean, there were many pervert conmen who were holy men.
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    SteveFoerster, your point is understood i.e. it’s important not to sink into the chat-gutter with nonsensical comments that do not benefit anyone.

    "Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer every one."
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    Sometimes the best response is no response.
    Subtle. Yes, I agree: it is best not to respond when you have no argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    You missed the fact that the "biggest mistake" is a direct quote from Steve Bannon. Not from "source" either: he said it in a TV interview. CNN, and everyone else, reports it simply because Bannon criticizing his God Emperor is clearly newsworthy (he brags how loyal he is to Trump in that very interview), and because he was an ultimate insider. So yeah, hilarious.
    The guy who Trump fired is bitter about it. In related news, water is wet.

    Honestly, Stanislav, "Yes" or "No": If Steve Bannon had said "The Comey firing was the best decision in modern political history ", do you think that CNN would have touched the story with a bargepole?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    The guy who Trump fired is bitter about it. In related news, water is wet.

    Honestly, Stanislav, "Yes" or "No": If Steve Bannon had said "The Comey firing was the best decision in modern political history", do you think that CNN would have touched the story with a bargepole?
    Yes they would. For two reasons: Bannon was a significant person in Trumpland; he was on cover of magazines for his role. So stuff like that is significant and will be reported. In fact, here is CNN covering Bannon minimizing Access Hollywood tape incident: Bannon destroyed Priebus on the 'Access Hollywood' tape - CNNPolitics

    Second, "The Comey firing was the best decision in modern political history " is such a memorable, outlandish claim. Of course they'd cover it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Stanislav, as a Ukrainian-Russian foreigner who does not reside in the United States
    Stanislav is a communist-educated former Soviet, the only one who posts to this board. He's not a US citizen and never has been. Yet he seems to me to be absolutely obsessed with American domestic politics. All of our American domestic political threads feature Stanislav as the most prolific poster, always trying to shout down (and in his mind 'educate') everyone who disagrees with him.

    Why American politics interest him so much remains a mystery. Why American politics make him so passionate remains a mystery. Why he considers himself such an authority on the subject remains a mystery. Why American domestic politics are any of his concern in the first place remains a mystery.

    (Frankly, I don't give a rat's ass about Ukrainian politics.)

    You, I and many of the rest of us are American voters. In that sense we are America's ultimate legislators, the ones with the ultimate responsibility for guiding the broad future course of the nation. Stanislav is just another loud voice on the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heirophant View Post
    Stanislav is a communist-educated former Soviet, the only one who posts to this board. He's not a US citizen and never has been. Yet he seems to me to be absolutely obsessed with American domestic politics. All of our American domestic political threads feature Stanislav as the most prolific poster, always trying to shout down (and in his mind 'educate') everyone who disagrees with him.

    Why American politics interest him so much remains a mystery. Why American politics make him so passionate remains a mystery. Why he considers himself such an authority on the subject remains a mystery. Why American domestic politics are any of his concern in the first place remains a mystery.



    (Frankly, I don't give a rat's ass about Ukrainian politics.)

    You, I and many of the rest of us are American voters. In that sense we are America's ultimate legislators, the ones with the ultimate responsibility for guiding the broad future course of the nation. Stanislav is just another loud voice on the internet.

    All I need to know about the 'slav is that he hopes Hillary runs again in 2020. He's a troll, nobody is that stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 03310151 View Post
    All I need to know about the 'slav is that he hopes Hillary runs again in 2020. He's a troll, nobody is that stupid.
    I wish she runs again. I know it will not actually happen. There's a distinction. And believe me, I'm not alone in this.
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    Bannon: Comey firing was worst mistake in 'modern political history'
    I disagree with Bannon about that. Comey needed to be fired. He was a loose cannon, trying to run the FBI as his own little fiefdom, effectively an independent fourth branch of government under his own personal control. (Reminiscent of what's alleged about J. Edgar Hoover.)

    Even Hillary places him atop the list of those she blames for her election loss. We can be reasonably certain that she would have immediately fired him too, had she won the election. Both Republicans and Democrats seem agreed on Comey.

    "I don't think there's any doubt that if James Comey had not been fired, we would not have a special counsel, yes," he said. "We would not have the Mueller investigation. We would not have the Mueller investigation and the breadth that clearly Mr. Mueller is going for."
    The special counsel was appointed by holdover Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, after Attorney General Sessions had recused himself (for no credible reason except that the media had attacked him).

    Contra-Bannon, that was the Trump administration's big mistake right there, Sessions wimping out and caving in.

    The reason was that while Trump, Bannon and company complain mightily about the "MSM", they are all media people themselves and pay far too much attention to what the media is saying. They should be ignoring it and floating placidly and untouchable above all the turmoil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heirophant View Post
    Stanislav is a communist-educated former Soviet, the only one who posts to this board. He's not a US citizen and never has been. Yet he seems to me to be absolutely obsessed with American domestic politics. All of our American domestic political threads feature Stanislav as the most prolific poster, always trying to shout down (and in his mind 'educate') everyone who disagrees with him.

    Why American politics interest him so much remains a mystery. Why American politics make him so passionate remains a mystery. Why he considers himself such an authority on the subject remains a mystery. Why American domestic politics are any of his concern in the first place remains a mystery.

    (Frankly, I don't give a rat's ass about Ukrainian politics.)

    You, I and many of the rest of us are American voters. In that sense we are America's ultimate legislators, the ones with the ultimate responsibility for guiding the broad future course of the nation. Stanislav is just another loud voice on the internet.
    Minor point of correction: I'm not the only Soviet-born person here; Lerner is another. Further, Soviet Union self-destructed when I was 12, so I'm at least as much "American" as "communist"-educated.

    I do not have to provide an excuse for my posting on this and any other topic; both Bill of Rights and Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms protect foreigners as well, except of course where it doesn't make sense (travel, voting, and in case of Canada, language rights). Sorry, this is just how it works. The Framers didn't think of creating a special Patrician class for citizens when it comes to speech or belief.

    Then again, when you say something "remains a mystery", you need to add "...for me", as it reflects your own epistemic status and nothing more. As it happens, I do have friends and even family members who ARE American citizens. But more importantly, American politics has global consequences. Sometimes they are direct, like for example, right now, for Koreans. I for one am convinced that Trump election (not even any of his actions) briefly emboldened Putin to make moves in Ukraine and Syria; direct result is up to a dozen Ukrainian service-members killed, and rather bigger body count in Palmyra. But more often, and I can't overstate how important it is for emerging democracies, the impact is symbolic. USA is an aspirational ideal, as well as a practical template. When Trump casually destroys America's moral standing over Russia ("we're all killers), what impact do you think this has for folks trying to bring change over there? If you'd rather live in an inconsequential backwater like Ukraine or, frankly, Canada, you may as well move. Then no one will care about your politics but the close neighbors. For now, you're among "ultimate legislators" in a polity of global consequence - although of course, as Trump diehards, you are in the minority.

    Also, I'm glad to see neither you nor me again have any substantial arguments for your positions. It's telling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    The guy who Trump fired is bitter about it. In related news, water is wet.
    Did Trump fire Bannon?

    I certainly don't have any inside sources in the White House, but my impression is that Trump brought in Marine General Kelley to be his WH Chief of Staff, to knock some discipline into an anarchical situation. Kelley seems to have made himself the go-to person for access to Trump. And access is the currency standard in Washington DC, the city's equivalent of gold. (Because it creates channels of power from the top.) So Bannon could no longer just walk into the Oval Office.

    I get the impression that Bannon ('unorthodox' and 'disheveled' might be his middle names) and Kelley (Marine Corps drill-instructor to his core) didn't get along. Bannon felt that he was being shunted aside. So he quit.

    That's my take on it.

    It actually frees him up to speak more freely. Now he speaks for himself and maybe for Breitbart, not for the White House and the Trump Administration. He becomes a hugely influential voice on Trump's populist right, something he couldn't be when he had to be a team player. I'm sure that Trump still speaks to Bannon regularly and consults with him on strategy. Many of Trump's recent statements, including yesterday's remarks that his tax reform proposals might not include tax cuts for the rich, were very Bannonesque, very out of tune with establishment Republican orthodoxy.
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