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    Thumbs down Antifa Calls for Revolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary Abolition Movement - August 20, 2017
    The Revolutionary Abolitionist Movement has sought since its inception to spread nationwide, and create international connections to further the cause of abolitionism and revolutionary anarchism.

    We are proud to announce the formation of the Revolutionary Abolitionist Movement – Philadelphia Branch (RAM Philly). With the growth of each new branch we inch ever closer to the day when we can realize our revolutionary aspirations, live in a world of true freedom, and decisively eradicate the abhorrence of 21st century slavery.

    Victory to Those Behind the Barricades!
    Victory to Those Behind Prison Walls!
    Victory to Revolutionary Forces!

    Help get things rolling: https://fundrazr.com/d1GxFe

    Hit us up to join the Revolutionary Abolitionist Movement in Philly:
    Email: revolutionaryabolition.philly@riseup.net
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    An armed Antifa group is launching a new cell in Philadelphia.

    The group currently hosts anti-police workshops called “Our Enemies in Blue.”

    Antifa websites like It’s Going Down, Sub.Media and Insurrection News have been promoting the group, which calls itself the Revolutionary Abolitionist Movement.

    The press release the group published in far-left media is filled with hyperbolic claims about how “mosques are being ruthlessly bombed” and how “LGBTQ are being battered.”

    “The destruction of black life continues unabated as millions languish in the plantations of the modern day slave system,” the group states.
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    What are they going to fight with, urine bottles and bongs?

    They obviously haven't thought this through; the ranks of conservatives are filled with NRA members, gun owners, and military veterans who know how to use them.

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    The whole thing is surreal. McCarthy may have been extreme, but he was also correct in his analysis that the United States has a communist Party that is trying to infiltrate the political and social fabric of the nation. In an old 1930s film clip, one party member said (paraphrasied):

    "We will not take the United States with words like communism or socialism because the Americans don't like those terms. Instead, we will take America with terms like Progressivism and Democracy -- but we will take the United States."

    Source:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGOPJwf78wg
    (1.5 hours long)

    President Donald Trump has thrown an unanticipated monkey wrench into the alt.left (communist) engine.
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    I'll admit that I haven't read the article. I'm not sure it's necessary. Anyone who acts violently in that way is breaking the law. Also, planning, conspiring, or promoting
    violent behavior is, at least under most circumstances, against the law. Promoting the violent overthrow of the government is against the law. They should just arrest them, charge them, prosecute them, etc.

    OK, so I looked at their statement. It seems like their idea of fighting means protests and other sorts of disruptions. There was no mention of violence. There was mention of a cookout

    "1.) politics, anarchism and abolition
    2.) welding , soldering and forgery
    3.) Anarchist Black Cross and prisoner letter writing
    4.) Rojava daily updates and solidarity
    5.) group tactical skills and comradery
    6.) community outreach and services
    7.) mental health and self-care
    8.) alcoholism and drug addiction recovery
    9.) survival kits and skills
    10.) sustainability and horticulture
    11.) self defense, larping and sparring
    12.) physical fitness and training
    13.) medic training and emergency support
    14.) solar and wind energy
    15.) community clothing swaps
    16.) coffee and revolutionary talk
    17.) movie night
    18.) poetry readings and performance art
    19.) art and yoga
    20.) community cook-out"

    Watch out for those solar energy movie nights . . . very dangerous. much ado about nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    ...16.) coffee and revolutionary talk ...
    So a normal day at the local Starbucks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    I'll admit that I haven't read the article. I'm not sure it's necessary. Anyone who acts violently in that way is breaking the law. Also, planning, conspiring, or promoting
    violent behavior is, at least under most circumstances, against the law. Promoting the violent overthrow of the government is against the law. They should just arrest them, charge them, prosecute them, etc.

    OK, so I looked at their statement. It seems like their idea of fighting means protests and other sorts of disruptions. There was no mention of violence. There was mention of a cookout

    "1.) politics, anarchism and abolition
    2.) welding , soldering and forgery
    3.) Anarchist Black Cross and prisoner letter writing
    4.) Rojava daily updates and solidarity
    5.) group tactical skills and comradery
    6.) community outreach and services
    7.) mental health and self-care
    8.) alcoholism and drug addiction recovery
    9.) survival kits and skills
    10.) sustainability and horticulture
    11.) self defense, larping and sparring
    12.) physical fitness and training
    13.) medic training and emergency support
    14.) solar and wind energy
    15.) community clothing swaps
    16.) coffee and revolutionary talk
    17.) movie night
    18.) poetry readings and performance art
    19.) art and yoga
    20.) community cook-out"

    Watch out for those solar energy movie nights . . . very dangerous. much ado about nothing.
    Your naivete is both charming and amusing.

    Do you really and truly think that a violent anarchist group is going to publish their violent intentions, thereby giving law enforcement and the government a wide-open door with which they can drive a prosecution?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    Your naivete is both charming and amusing.

    Do you really and truly think that a violent anarchist group is going to publish their violent intentions, thereby giving law enforcement and the government a wide-open door with which they can drive a prosecution?
    You've made a good point. If you've got any evidence that this specific group has violent intentions I'd be happy to look at it. Otherwise there's that whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    You've made a good point. If you've got any evidence that this specific group has violent intentions I'd be happy to look at it. Otherwise there's that whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing.
    I'll do you one better; forget their intentions, how about their actions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    What are they going to fight with, urine bottles and bongs?
    'It's going down', an 'antifa' website, is selling buttons and t-shirts with pictures of claw hammers and the words "Hospitalize your local fascist". Another one shows a hammer hitting Donald Trump's head. And there's one with a gasoline bomb 'molotov cocktail' with the words 'It's lit'.

    https://itsgoingdown.org/shop/

    There are also illustrations of AK's, which are probably more aspirational. (They symbolize armed leftist revolutions overseas.)

    They obviously haven't thought this through; the ranks of conservatives are filled with NRA members, gun owners, and military veterans who know how to use them.
    If they are going to go at political opponents with hammers, hoping to cause skull fractures, they had better not try it in a concealed (or open) carry state. Some of the dressed-in-black shitheads might get put down (along with whoever is standing behind them).

    Seriously Bruce, if you police officers want to head off the open street warfare that I fear is coming, police need to act more forcefully to put a lid on these masked dressed-for-combat provocateurs. You can't just stand by and let them attack people, as police so famously did in Berkeley. If you do nothing, people will defend themselves.

    (The same thing is true of whatever very similar neo-Nazi thugs might be out there looking for a fight.)

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    "You heard Galleani speak, and you were ready to shoot the first policeman you saw".[8]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Galleani

    There were others besides the Galleanists. Despite the anarchist blather, they were, and are, socialist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    You've made a good point. If you've got any evidence that this specific group has violent intentions I'd be happy to look at it. Otherwise there's that whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing.
    Is this the first you've heard of Antifa? (I'm asking inquisitively, not derisively). The mainstream press hasn't given them much attention, but their presence is well known on social media. EVERYTHING they do is confrontational and outright violent. It's not just their rhetoric, it's what they do. They regularly gather together clad from head to toe in black, wearing ski masks and carrying weapons, screaming obscenities and threats, causing major property damage and starting physical conflicts. They turn peaceful protests and demonstrations into dangerous warzones complete with (so far) everything but guns and bombs. I hope it doesn't come to this, but I can't help but to think that the guns and bombs are on their way.
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    Good thing they're not violent: https://twitter.com/shane_bauer

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    The group cited in the original article is called the Revolutionary Abolitionist Movement, located in Philadelphia. Nowhere on the cited page does the word antifa appear. The youtube video posted by Bruce has nothing to do with RAM in Philly. If you look at my post (#7) you'll see that I referred specifically to the group cited by me again in the original post. In that regard I continue to be correct. Are there violent factions of antifa? I have no doubt. Is RAM one of them? Perhaps, but you've produced no evidence of that so far. If you're going to make accusations then you'd better check your facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    The group cited in the original article is called the Revolutionary Abolitionist Movement, located in Philadelphia. Nowhere on the cited page does the word antifa appear. The youtube video posted by Bruce has nothing to do with RAM in Philly. If you look at my post (#7) you'll see that I referred specifically to the group cited by me again in the original post. In that regard I continue to be correct. Are there violent factions of antifa? I have no doubt. Is RAM one of them? Perhaps, but you've produced no evidence of that so far. If you're going to make accusations then you'd better check your facts.

    Me? You talkin' ta me?

    Tell Shane Bauer that the video he offered of Antifa goons beating some guy on the ground isn't of Antifa goons beating some guy on the ground. He's on side of Antifa and he's boasting of the beating.

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    OK. Well maybe I'm the one who has to read more carefully. In that case, my original comments apply. If they've broken the law they should be arrested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maniac Craniac View Post
    Is this the first you've heard of Antifa? (I'm asking inquisitively, not derisively). The mainstream press hasn't given them much attention, but their presence is well known on social media. EVERYTHING they do is confrontational and outright violent. It's not just their rhetoric, it's what they do. They regularly gather together clad from head to toe in black, wearing ski masks and carrying weapons, screaming obscenities and threats, causing major property damage and starting physical conflicts. They turn peaceful protests and demonstrations into dangerous warzones complete with (so far) everything but guns and bombs. I hope it doesn't come to this, but I can't help but to think that the guns and bombs are on their way.
    It's a global subculture. They are also a mirror image of white supremacist skinhead movement - a movement that is by many accounts more significant - a fact you guys for some reason neglect to mention.
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