Antifa Calls for Revolution

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  1. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Full story:
    https://itsgoingdown.org/revolutionary-abolitionist-movement-announces-ram-philly/

    Full story:
    Armed Antifa Call For Open Revolution | The Daily Caller
     
  2. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    What are they going to fight with, urine bottles and bongs?

    They obviously haven't thought this through; the ranks of conservatives are filled with NRA members, gun owners, and military veterans who know how to use them.

    When can I pre-order the Pay-Per-View of the show?
     
  3. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    The whole thing is surreal. McCarthy may have been extreme, but he was also correct in his analysis that the United States has a communist Party that is trying to infiltrate the political and social fabric of the nation. In an old 1930s film clip, one party member said (paraphrasied):

    "We will not take the United States with words like communism or socialism because the Americans don't like those terms. Instead, we will take America with terms like Progressivism and Democracy -- but we will take the United States."

    Source:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGOPJwf78wg
    (1.5 hours long)

    President Donald Trump has thrown an unanticipated monkey wrench into the alt.left (communist) engine.
     
  4. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    I'll admit that I haven't read the article. I'm not sure it's necessary. Anyone who acts violently in that way is breaking the law. Also, planning, conspiring, or promoting
    violent behavior is, at least under most circumstances, against the law. Promoting the violent overthrow of the government is against the law. They should just arrest them, charge them, prosecute them, etc.

    OK, so I looked at their statement. It seems like their idea of fighting means protests and other sorts of disruptions. There was no mention of violence. There was mention of a cookout

    "1.) politics, anarchism and abolition
    2.) welding, soldering and forgery
    3.) Anarchist Black Cross and prisoner letter writing
    4.) Rojava daily updates and solidarity
    5.) group tactical skills and comradery
    6.) community outreach and services
    7.) mental health and self-care
    8.) alcoholism and drug addiction recovery
    9.) survival kits and skills
    10.) sustainability and horticulture
    11.) self defense, larping and sparring
    12.) physical fitness and training
    13.) medic training and emergency support
    14.) solar and wind energy
    15.) community clothing swaps
    16.) coffee and revolutionary talk
    17.) movie night
    18.) poetry readings and performance art
    19.) art and yoga
    20.) community cook-out"

    Watch out for those solar energy movie nights . . . very dangerous. much ado about nothing.
     
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  5. airtorn

    airtorn Moderator

    So a normal day at the local Starbucks?
     
  6. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Your naivete is both charming and amusing.

    Do you really and truly think that a violent anarchist group is going to publish their violent intentions, thereby giving law enforcement and the government a wide-open door with which they can drive a prosecution?
     
  7. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    You've made a good point. If you've got any evidence that this specific group has violent intentions I'd be happy to look at it. Otherwise there's that whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing.
     
  8. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    I'll do you one better; forget their intentions, how about their actions?

    [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G8QLT6tFWU[/video]
     
  9. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    'It's going down', an 'antifa' website, is selling buttons and t-shirts with pictures of claw hammers and the words "Hospitalize your local fascist". Another one shows a hammer hitting Donald Trump's head. And there's one with a gasoline bomb 'molotov cocktail' with the words 'It's lit'.

    https://itsgoingdown.org/shop/

    There are also illustrations of AK's, which are probably more aspirational. (They symbolize armed leftist revolutions overseas.)

    If they are going to go at political opponents with hammers, hoping to cause skull fractures, they had better not try it in a concealed (or open) carry state. Some of the dressed-in-black shitheads might get put down (along with whoever is standing behind them).

    Seriously Bruce, if you police officers want to head off the open street warfare that I fear is coming, police need to act more forcefully to put a lid on these masked dressed-for-combat provocateurs. You can't just stand by and let them attack people, as police so famously did in Berkeley. If you do nothing, people will defend themselves.

    (The same thing is true of whatever very similar neo-Nazi thugs might be out there looking for a fight.)
     
  10. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    "You heard Galleani speak, and you were ready to shoot the first policeman you saw".[8]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Galleani

    There were others besides the Galleanists. Despite the anarchist blather, they were, and are, socialist.
     
  11. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Is this the first you've heard of Antifa? (I'm asking inquisitively, not derisively). The mainstream press hasn't given them much attention, but their presence is well known on social media. EVERYTHING they do is confrontational and outright violent. It's not just their rhetoric, it's what they do. They regularly gather together clad from head to toe in black, wearing ski masks and carrying weapons, screaming obscenities and threats, causing major property damage and starting physical conflicts. They turn peaceful protests and demonstrations into dangerous warzones complete with (so far) everything but guns and bombs. I hope it doesn't come to this, but I can't help but to think that the guns and bombs are on their way.
     
  12. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

  13. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    The group cited in the original article is called the Revolutionary Abolitionist Movement, located in Philadelphia. Nowhere on the cited page does the word antifa appear. The youtube video posted by Bruce has nothing to do with RAM in Philly. If you look at my post (#7) you'll see that I referred specifically to the group cited by me again in the original post. In that regard I continue to be correct. Are there violent factions of antifa? I have no doubt. Is RAM one of them? Perhaps, but you've produced no evidence of that so far. If you're going to make accusations then you'd better check your facts.
     
  14. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    Me? You talkin' ta me?

    Tell Shane Bauer that the video he offered of Antifa goons beating some guy on the ground isn't of Antifa goons beating some guy on the ground. He's on side of Antifa and he's boasting of the beating.
     
  15. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    OK. Well maybe I'm the one who has to read more carefully. In that case, my original comments apply. If they've broken the law they should be arrested.
     
  16. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    It's a global subculture. They are also a mirror image of white supremacist skinhead movement - a movement that is by many accounts more significant - a fact you guys for some reason neglect to mention.
     
  17. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Interesting observation. To me, it means that the right wing extremism is potentially far greater threat to democracy and freedom - especially seeing how the chief executive of the country seems to send veiled approving signals to that flank. Also, it suggests that the Antifa's stated raison d'être - being alle and ready to confront fascism with violence - it actually not that far off. Interesting testimony, coming from you.

    Of course, it also suggests a potential better tactic for sane Progressives in the country: joining the ranks of lawful gun owners, forming law-obedient militia groups, and also joining the armed forces (National Guard seems fitting) and the law enforcement. "Our enemy in blue" works if you see the world in orthodox Marxist terms AND see the revolution as imminent. Both views seem inaccurate. Law enforcement is a function not a caste; it's not the Right's fault left-leaning folks choose not to fulfill it. Vast majority of what police does is non-political, and you can serve honourably no matter your views. And if the civil war does come, it helps if your side has access to trained personnel with guns (a stated policy of historical Ukrainian right-wing freedom fighters, btw).
     
  18. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    No one here is going to watch a 90 minute video to find out what the person really said.
     
  19. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    The irony here is that, in this thread me again is talking about infiltration by the Communists being a real problem but in another thread related to Trump and Russia, he's claiming there's no connection at all.
     
  20. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Kizmet, yes there is a Marxists push to influence the government of the United States and their foothold is with rich and powerful Democrats. Look at this article which was just released (that's just one example of a Russian-Democrat collusion).

    Conversely, there is absolutely no collusion between President Donald J. Trump and the Russians.

    The irony is that the Democratic Party is infiltrated with communists, Marxists and socialists (all the same thing to varying degrees) -- and yet the DNC is accusing Trump of collusion with Russians.
     
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