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    Trump's approval rating drops to 35%


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abner View Post
    Trump's approval rating drops to 35%
    1. That's the same approval rate that was being reported before President Trump got elected.
    2. That's the same approval rate that was being reported after President Trump got elected.
    3. It's ironic that President Trump will serve a full eight years as president.
    4. President Trump is doing a fantastic job.
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    Back in January, Trump stated that he could stand in the middle of New York and shoot someone and not lose voters. me again is one of those voters. There's no point in talking to him about these matters because the facts don't matter to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    Back in January, Trump stated that he could stand in the middle of New York and shoot someone and not lose voters.
    I didn't vote for him regardless, but if I had...

    It would depend on whom he shot
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    Trump stated that he could stand in the middle of New York and shoot someone and not lose voters. me again is one of those voters. There's no point in talking to him about these matters because the facts don't matter to him.
    If God Himself stood in the middle of New York City and announced that He had personally chosen Donald Trump to be president, the alt.left MSM would still reject them (plural). There's no point in trusting the alt.left owned and operated MSM. The will of the electoral representatives of the Republic of the United States doesn't matter to them. That's why the alt.left MSM plans and orchestrates scripted violence by paid-for alt.left provocateurs.

    President Trump is a political genius who stands up to the scripts of the alt.left owned and operated MSM. For example, the alt.left MSM created a scripted riot over the statutes of slave owning Confederate leaders in the south. Then when Trump asked the alt.left MSM if they were going to tear down the statutes of slave owning Presidents George Washington and Andrew Jackson, the alt.left said the equation was inappropriate. President Trump ruined the "scripted riots" of the alt.left with facts!

    1. The alt.left MSM declared that Americans hated Trump before the election.
    2. The alt.left MSM declared that Americans hated Trump during the election.
    3. The alt.left MSM declared that Americans hated Trump after the election.
    4. The alt.left MSM declared that President Trump will be impeached. Nadda.
    5. The alt.left MSM declared that President Trump has mental health issues. Nadda.
    6. The alt.left MSM describes violent alt.left protesters as peaceful protesters.
    7. The alt.left MSM is hemorrhaging financially!
    8. What will the alt.left MSM do when President Trump wins a second presidential term? LOL

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    I'm not sure what an 'approval rating' is supposed to be measuring.

    If I'm asked whether I approve of Trump, is that supposed to mean approve of some particular thing he said, some particular policy decision of his, his overall effectiveness in office, the effectiveness of the US government (much of which consists of partisan Democrats sworn to "Resist" and subvert him), or do I favor the direction that he enunciates for the US over the alternative hugely revisionist vision of US history and tradition promoted by the Democrats (and their celebrity, journalistic and professorial sycophants)?

    I would very likely have different answers, depending on what I thought the question meant.

    I voted for Trump, not because I liked his personality or his style (I don't, though I didn't like Hillary's either). I voted for him because I liked his policies, or at least the outlines of them that we were given. I still feel that way, and as the Democratic party has retreated into a prickly shell of totally hostile and angry intransigence, I'm prepared to double-down. I support Trump even more than I did on November 8. I don't see any viable alternative to him on the horizon.

    All that violent dressed-in-black 'Antifa' political thuggery (reminiscent of Hitler's brown-shirts), all the current '1984'-style attempts at re-writing US history and our national traditions, the constant attempts to silence free-speech (especially on university campuses), the incessant attempts to politicize (and racialize) everything (sports, entertainment, higher education , science...) leave me totally cold. They are threats to everything that I believe in and I perceive them as fundamentally totalitarian.

    The left is making no attempt at all to reach out to those of us in the white middle class (many of us the Democrats' traditional 'working class' base), making no attempts to convince us that the Democratic party might have something left to offer us besides "hurry up and die" so that a new post-60's coalition of racial minorities and rich self-satisfied, morally-superior and always-trendy coastal elites can take over.

    But, having said that...

    I don't necessarily approve of everything Trump says. I don't necessarily approve of every policy he or some faction among his supporters propose. I don't necessarily think that the current government is moving effectively to advance its own agenda. (I lay most of the blame for that on establishment 'never-Trumpers' who still infest the Republican Congressional caucus.) I don't love every speech Trump gives and every word he Tweets.

    In other words, approval ratings obscure a lot of complexity right under the surface and probably don't translate into voting intentions or into party allegiances very well.

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    Are these the same pollsters who all but guaranteed a Hillary Clinton victory in November?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    Back in January, Trump stated that he could stand in the middle of New York and shoot someone and not lose voters. me again is one of those voters. There's no point in talking to him about these matters because the facts don't matter to him.
    Are you any different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    Are these the same pollsters who all but guaranteed a Hillary Clinton victory in November?
    And that Brexit would fail? That's a fair question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heirophant View Post
    Are you any different?
    If you show me a valid pol with different results I will certainly pay attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    Are these the same pollsters who all but guaranteed a Hillary Clinton victory in November?
    There are two issues going on here. One is, "Do I believe the poll is an accurate reflection of the world." You can question that and it's fine. But if you're going to say that any poll that ever was wrong in predicting the outcome of an election will forever be invalid and totally lacking in credibility then I believe you're making a mistake in logic and your mistake is made simply because you don't want the polling results to be true. If Gallup was saying that Trumps approval rating was 60% then you wouldn't be bringing up the past. The other issue is with me again's own statement in post #2. Trump's approval rating was not 35% just after he got elected. It's simply a false statement and I suspect that he just made it up out of thin air. He's trying to say that his approval rating has not changed. That means he believes that the approval rating at present is, in fact 35% but that it's always been 35% so therefore it hasn't gone down. So you can say "I don't believe the polling data because of . . . whatever" or you can believe what it says, but you can't say "I believe these numbers but I don't believe those" simply because you don't like what they indicate.

    As for his statement #4, that Trump is doing a fantastic job, I'm really uncertain what he's referring to. As far as I can tell, he hasn't actually done anything. Not a single piece of major legislation passed and not even a bill being considered. He's back to banning trans people from the military. If he succeeds in that I think most people will say it's a bad thing. He plays a lot of golf, he tweets a lot but he hasn't actually accomplished anything. So, me again, what's so "fantastic?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    If you show me a valid pol with different results I will certainly pay attention.
    You mentioned some CNN Politics opinion piece that had Trump supposedly saying that he could shoot someone on the streets of New York and his support would remain solid. You made a snarky (but perhaps accurate) remark about how that applies to Me Again.

    So my question to you is: Could any particular news event cause you to abandon your current political allegiances?

    I'm doubtful whether any news event could budge you off of what you identify as your deeply held core principles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heirophant View Post
    You mentioned some CNN Politics opinion piece that had Trump supposedly saying that he could shoot someone on the streets of New York and his support would remain solid. You made a snarky (but perhaps accurate) remark about how that applies to Me Again.

    So my question to you is: Could any particular news event cause you to abandon your current political allegiances?

    I'm doubtful whether any news event could budge you off of what you identify as your deeply held core principles.
    First of all, it's not a case where he "supposedly" said it. It's on videotape, embedded in the article that is linked. Secondly, it wasn't a snarky comment. me again actually is one of those people. Finally, we're not talking about "deeply held core principles" we're talking about blind allegiance to a specific human being, Trump. me again doesn't talk about core principles, he only talks about Trump. Trump can do no wrong, regardless of what he does or doesn't actually do. You saw it yourself, "Trump is doing a fantastic job" At what? What has he done? I asked the question but, so far, no answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heirophant View Post
    All that violent dressed-in-black 'Antifa' political thuggery (reminiscent of Hitler's brown-shirts), all the current '1984'-style attempts at re-writing US history and our national traditions, the constant attempts to silence free-speech (especially on university campuses), the incessant attempts to politicize (and racialize) everything (sports, entertainment, higher education , science...) leave me totally cold. They are threats to everything that I believe in and I perceive them as fundamentally totalitarian.
    You are pointing out what the silent majority thinks. However, the alt.left owned MSM shouts louder and incites alt.left provocateurs to violence.

    Quote Originally Posted by heirophant View Post
    The left is making no attempt at all to reach out to those of us in the...
    That is correct: the DNC alt.left makes no attempt to woo or schmooze a potential political base of constituent voters. Instead, anyone who is not alt.left is demonized or physically attacked (literally) with violence by alt.left Antifa thugs (aka brown shirts). The alt.left may be the minority, but they are much more vocal -- because they are orchestrated and paid to be so -- Lenin style with alt.left violence and alt.left propaganda.

    The alt.left is going to fizzle out when the alt.left money machines runs out of funds to pay for it. It's just a matter of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    There are two issues going on here. One is, "Do I believe the poll is an accurate reflection of the world." You can question that and it's fine. But if you're going to say that any poll that ever was wrong in predicting the outcome of an election will forever be invalid and totally lacking in credibility then I believe you're making a mistake in logic and your mistake is made simply because you don't want the polling results to be true. If Gallup was saying that Trumps approval rating was 60% then you wouldn't be bringing up the past. The other issue is with me again's own statement in post #2. Trump's approval rating was not 35% just after he got elected. It's simply a false statement and I suspect that he just made it up out of thin air. He's trying to say that his approval rating has not changed. That means he believes that the approval rating at present is, in fact 35% but that it's always been 35% so therefore it hasn't gone down. So you can say "I don't believe the polling data because of . . . whatever" or you can believe what it says, but you can't say "I believe these numbers but I don't believe those" simply because you don't like what they indicate.

    As for his statement #4, that Trump is doing a fantastic job, I'm really uncertain what he's referring to. As far as I can tell, he hasn't actually done anything. Not a single piece of major legislation passed and not even a bill being considered. He's back to banning trans people from the military. If he succeeds in that I think most people will say it's a bad thing. He plays a lot of golf, he tweets a lot but he hasn't actually accomplished anything. So, me again, what's so "fantastic?"
    That was simple yes or no question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    Trump stated that he could stand in the middle of New York and shoot someone and not lose voters. me again is one of those voters. There's no point in talking to him about these matters because the facts don't matter to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    If you show me a valid pol with different results I will certainly pay attention.
    Quote Originally Posted by heirophant View Post
    You mentioned that Trump said he could shoot someone... and his support would remain solid. You made a snarky (but perhaps accurate) remark about how that applies to Me Again.

    So my question to you [Kizmet] is: Could any particular news event cause you to abandon your current political allegiances?

    I'm doubtful whether any news event could budge you off of what you identify as your deeply held core principles.
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