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    Affirmative Action Battle Has a New Focus: Asian-Americans

    "The data, experts say, suggests that if Harvard were forbidden to use race as a factor in admissions, the Asian-American admissions rate would rise, and the percentage of white, black and Hispanic students would fall."

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    for the first time in it's history , the majority of Harvard students are non-white

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    Quote Originally Posted by decimon View Post
    if Harvard were forbidden to use race as a factor in admissions, the Asian-American admissions rate would rise
    same story, different source

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post

    This is what spurred the DOJ: A coalition of more than 60 organizations accuses Harvard of holding Asian-American applicants to higher standards than black and Latino applicants.

    Lost in the debate is that colleges have long sought 'diversity' of one sort or other: Last summer, the Court ruled that the University of Texas-Austin can consider race as one factor among many in college admissions.

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    I have heard (unofficially) that there are universities that have to apply affirmative action standards to males in order to prevent the school from becoming overwhelmingly female.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post

    21.3% from the Middle Atlantic states cuz that's where the people are.

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    AA has always been a problem but it's next to impossible to get it's proponents to care about the plight of white people. When we start talking about Asians, however, all of a sudden the same arguments against AA hold merit. Sheesh.

    If it's true that AA is being implemented to prevent colleges from being overwhelmingly female, then I'd love to know how much of that has to do with AA overwhelmingly favoring females for scholarship and grant money. It's harder for men to find aid for college, on the whole, so I'd expect that men would be more likely to find another way to succeed in their careers than to pursue university degrees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maniac Craniac View Post
    AA has always been a problem but it's next to impossible to get it's proponents to care about the plight of white people.
    Because it is, genuinely, hard to care about the plight of "white people" as a group. We are doing fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Because it is, genuinely, hard to care about the plight of "white people" as a group. We are doing fine.
    Tell that to the multitude of white males in Boston who couldn't get on the police or fire departments due to AA, being passed over for minorities with lower exam scores.
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    Hiring based on skin color is illegal and discriminatory.

    Affirmative action was struck down because it is unlawful to hire a person of color, based solely on the color of their skin.

    Conversely, it is illegal to deny employment to a white person, based solely on the color of their skin.

    But that's saying the obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Because it is, genuinely, hard to care about the plight of "white people" as a group. We are doing fine.
    There is no "we". Pharma Bro's kids don't even remotely belong in the same category as kids from trailer parks in Appalachia. That's why any non-merit preferences should be by socio-economic class and not by race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maniac Craniac View Post
    If it's true that AA is being implemented to prevent colleges from being overwhelmingly female, then I'd love to know how much of that has to do with AA overwhelmingly favoring females for scholarship and grant money. It's harder for men to find aid for college, on the whole, so I'd expect that men would be more likely to find another way to succeed in their careers than to pursue university degrees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by decimon View Post
    It was a very good year for city girls
    Who lived up the stair
    With all that perfumed hair
    And it came undone
    When I was twenty-one
    "But now the days are short, I'm in the autumn of my years
    And I think of my life as vintage wine
    From fine old kegs
    From the brim to the dregs
    It poured sweet and clear
    It was a very good year."

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