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    Report: Trump seeks to sue schools over affirmative action seen to hurt whites


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    If their real goal is to help disadvantaged students, all they have to do is use socio-economic class instead of race.

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    Whites? How about Asians?

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    Everyone try to hide your surprise and shock, but oooops....they did it again. The NY Times selectively edited out facts to suit their narrative, then ran with the fake news story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    Everyone try to hide your surprise and shock, but oooops....they did it again. The NY Times selectively edited out facts to suit their narrative, then ran with the fake news story.

    NY Times story on affirmative action 'inaccurate,' DOJ says | Fox News

    When can I expect to see the NY Times next to the National Enquirer in the candy aisle of the supermarket checkout line?
    ...as reported by Fox based by DoJ statement. Impartial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    If their real goal is to help disadvantaged students, all they have to do is use socio-economic class instead of race.

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    Sure, good idea. On the other hand, they didn't have public water fountains segregated by "social class" into the 70ies. Just sayin'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Sure, good idea. On the other hand, they didn't have public water fountains segregated by "social class" into the 70ies. Just sayin'.
    No, they didn't, but that's not really the best indicator of who is socio-economically disadvantaged in 2017. Unless you think the best possible system gives one of my kids a preference over his siblings, we're definitely talking about the wrong criterion here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    No, they didn't, but that's not really the best indicator of who is socio-economically disadvantaged in 2017. Unless you think the best possible system gives one of my kids a preference over his siblings, we're definitely talking about the wrong criterion here.
    Well, if the goal is to ameliorate the effects of racial discrimination, chances are the "best possible system" will indeed treat your kids differently. Now, if the goal is to help people who're socio-economically disadvantaged, and it should be this as well, the criterion should include class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Well, if the goal is to ameliorate the effects of racial discrimination, chances are the "best possible system" will indeed treat your kids differently. Now, if the goal is to help people who're socio-economically disadvantaged, and it should be this as well, the criterion should include class.
    That's the whole point: the ones who are not socio-economically disadvantaged are the ones who have already emerged successfully from the effects of racial discrimination, or who, like my son, never experienced any in the first place. Therefore, by focusing exclusively on class, whatever preferences are in place will actually benefit the ones you supposedly want to target. That's doubly so when a common complaint about race-based affirmative action is that it most often benefits minorities who have already made it to the middle class.

    This is the problem with looking at social issues through the lens of collectivism: those hasty generalizations inherently lead to inferior and unjust policies.
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