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    John mccain cancer is ‘godly justice’ for challenging trump, alt-right claims

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    That's terrible! :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abner View Post
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    That's terrible! :(

    It is terrible but 'alt-right' is a catch-all fabrication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abner View Post
    John mccain cancer is ‘godly justice’ for challenging trump, alt-right claims
    Writing the following is a copout:
    - "alt-right claims" or
    - "CNN said"
    - etc.

    Actually, a specific person allegedly made such a claim. Who allegedly said it? Nonetheless, it is reminiscent of when you wrote the following:

    Abner's comment: "As a Christian, I see Trump is incapable of asking for forgiveness. So he is not a true Christian, even if he claims to be a Christian." Source
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Writing the following is a copout:
    - "alt-right claims" or
    - "CNN said"
    - etc.

    Actually, a specific person allegedly made such a claim. Who allegedly said it? Nonetheless, it is reminiscent of when you wrote the following:

    Abner's comment: "As a Christian, I see Trump is incapable of asking for forgiveness. So he is not a true Christian, even if he claims to be a Christian." Source
    Notably, you didn't denounce people saying these things. They you turned around and attacked Abner who did. Why's that? Tribal loyalty perhaps?
    Trump certainly seems incapable of asking for forgiveness; he even said that he does not feel the need to ask God for forgiveness. It sure seems like a serious problem with pride to me. Can you call a person like that a true Christian?
    "When I drink my little wine -- which is about the only wine I drink -- and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of asking for forgiveness, and I do that as often as possible because I feel cleansed"
    That is hoky and new-agey attitude to the Great Mystery. Orthodox (both small and big O) view is that repentance is precondition for partaking the Eucharist; otherwise you partake for condemnation. Someone needs to tell him that. Who would he listen to though?
    Needless to say, calling Lord's Body "my little cracker" is offensive. You don't have to believe in Real Presence to have some respect, and most Christians do. He sounds like Christopher Hitchens (late author who was a staunch Atheist) here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Notably, you didn't denounce people saying these things.
    Stanislav, who said it? Please provide names. Names please!!!

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    They you turned around and attacked Abner.
    "Attacked"? LOL OMG

    Where is the weapon that was used in this alleged attack? LOL

    Stanislav, please at least provide quotes of the alleged "attack" (and links to the alleged "attack" would be appropriate too).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Trump seems incapable of asking for forgiveness; he even said that he does not feel the need to ask God for forgiveness. It sure seems like a serious problem with pride to me.
    Stanislav, Trump said that if he errs, he tries to correct or remedy the error. Asking for forgiveness is one thing, but reaching out to remedy the error [in this life] is an even higher spiritual escalation.

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    Can you call a person like Trump a true Christian?
    Stanislav, can you determine who is going to heaven or hell? Furthermore, is it your place to do so?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Orthodox view is that repentance is precondition for partaking the Eucharist; otherwise you partake for condemnation.
    Stanislav, most Evangelical Protestants don't even know what the word "Eucharist" means. Trump is a Protestant. Nonetheless, providing remedy for wrongful or sinful actions -- to make things right -- is a step towards holiness.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Someone needs to tell him that.
    Stanislav, the Holy Spirit is working on President Donald J. Trump, just as He is working on everyone who reads in this forum. Some people are saved at a young age, while others are saved at deathbed confessions. Most of God's people are saved somewhere in the middle. Either way, mortal men are not equipped to judge the eternal salvation of other mortal men -- unless it is divinely revealed to them by the Holy Spirit.

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    Who would he listen to though?
    Stanislav, the Lord places various voices (people) in the lives of His sheep -- and His sheep hear His voice (John 10:27-29). As an example, this writer is a former athiest, but this writer heard His voice. Salvation is open to all mortal men -- up until their last breath.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Needless to say, calling Lord's Body "my little cracker" is offensive. You don't have to believe in Real Presence to have some respect, and most Christians do.
    Stanislav, God will judge His people based on the level of light that they received -- and their level of understanding of it (1 Cor. 13:9-12).
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Stanislav, Trump said that if he errs, he tries to correct or remedy the error. Asking for forgiveness is one thing, but reaching out to remedy the error [in this life] is an even higher spiritual escalation.
    Say what? Correcting your behaviour is even higher than asking God for forgiveness? That's... I wanted to say "Pelagianism", but that didn't teach about "higher spiritual escalation". And you're a Theology student. Can I call this teaching "Meaganian heresy"?

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    Stanislav, can you determine who is going to heaven or hell? Furthermore, is it your place to do so?
    Nope, but seeing someone in grave error and remaining silent, especially when that someone is a leaer and role model, doesn't do anyone any favors.

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    Stanislav, most Evangelical Protestants don't even know what the word "Eucharist" means. Trump is a Protestant. Nonetheless, providing remedy for wrongful or sinful actions -- to make things right -- is a step towards holiness.
    Yep - one step, no replacement for repentance. Actually, I don't know if a person who resents the idea of acting God for forgiveness can quite sincerely even know when he's done wrong and what needs to be remedied. Just for the reference point here - Trump claims to be a Presbyterian.

    And here's what bothers me, me again. "Evangelical protestants" might not know the word "Eucharist", but you do. You know that this world ("thanksgiving") refers to the Lord's Supper, and that most Protestants practice it; you know that Presbyterians are taught to treat it with respect, believe in a form of Real Presence, and know of a concept of needing to repent in order to be in a "worthy state" to receive it. Yet, you lie by omission, playing down the Sacrament (ok, "ordinance"), in order to stand up for your leader, when your Great Commission and status as a student of Theology compels you to tell the truth. It appear as if Trump's image plays a role of a small "a" antichrist here (without him even doing anything other than speaking about the faith as any number of non-Christians would - I. e. by not even trying). Very disturbing. Very, very disturbing.


    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Stanislav, the Holy Spirit is working on President Donald J. Trump, just as He is working on everyone who reads in this forum. Some people are saved at a young age, while others are saved at deathbed confessions. Most of God's people are saved somewhere in the middle. Either way, mortal men are not equipped to judge the eternal salvation of other mortal men -- unless it is divinely revealed to them by the Holy Spirit.
    I really hope Lord will save every person. We really only know that Judas, Antichrist and the False Prophet are not saved - there is hope for everyone else. Yet, it's not right to use this truth to imply Hitler or Putin are "true Christians" - although the latter reportedly goes to Confession regularly (to Bishop Tikhon (Shevkunov)).
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Stanislav, Trump said that if he errs, he tries to correct or remedy the error. Asking for forgiveness is one thing, but reaching out to remedy the error [in this life] is an even higher spiritual escalation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Say what? Correcting your behaviour is even higher than asking God for forgiveness? That's... I wanted to say "Pelagianism", but that didn't teach about "higher spiritual escalation". And you're a Theology student. Can I call this teaching "Meaganian heresy"?
    Stanislav, in Matthew 21:28-32, one son gave lip service while the other son actually performed his father's will. Which son will receive his father's praise?
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Stanislav, can you determine who is going to heaven or hell? Furthermore, is it your place to do so?

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    Nope, but seeing someone in grave error and remaining silent, especially when that someone is a leaer and role model, doesn't do anyone any favors.
    Stanislav, you have not warned President Trump to his face. Instead, you gossip to others on the internet about "grave spiritual faults" that you publicly claim he has. Stanislav, based upon 1 Timothy 2:1-2, please consider praying for President Trump, instead of publicly condemning his spiritual status.
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Stanislav, in Matthew 21:28-32, one son gave lip service while the other son actually performed his father's will. Which son will receive his father's praise?
    Are you using the Bible on me to teach justification by the works? Srsly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Stanislav, you have not warned President Trump to his face. Instead, you gossip to others on the internet about "grave spiritual faults" that you publicly claim he has. Stanislav, based upon 1 Timothy 2:1-2, please consider praying for President Trump, instead of publicly condemning his spiritual status.
    I have enough people to pray for, thanks (although "and have mercy on all the people" certainly includes Trump). But have no fear: he is prayed for by many people, not to mention multiple congregations of multiple denominations praying for him for the sole reason that he's the Head of State. Unfortunately, for me that's Queen Elisabeth.
    And, oh, publicly discussing public people is not "gossip". Not to mention, I'm not the only one saying that, at least from behaviour, he's no Christian. Andrew Sullivan: The Pope and the Pagan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    "Evangelical protestants" might not know the word "Eucharist." Most Protestants practice it; you know that Presbyterians believe in a form of Real Presence.
    Stanislav, Presbyterianism was founded on John Calvin's teachings. He wanted to maintain weekly communion (Eucharist). However, most Presbyterian and Evangelical Churches currently only practice communion quarterly (or about four times annually).

    Presbyterianism recently split (yet again) into Presbyterian USA (liberal) and Presbyterian PCA (conservative). President Trump is a member of the Presbyterian USA (liberal).

    Several polls indicate that most Protestants do not believe in the Real Presence of Christ in Communion (Eucharist). Instead, they believe communion is only a symbol. Ironically, one poll of Catholics indicated that 33 percent do not believe in a Real Presence. As a result, it may lead to less respect for it.

    The Lord is merciful. One does not need to be a theologian to enter the kingdom of heaven. The thief on the cross and the original disciples are proof of that. Heaven begins in the heart and not the head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    It's not right to use this truth to imply Hitler is a "true Christian."
    Stanislav, who is teaching or implying that Adolf Hitler was a true Christian? Please provide their name.

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    We really only know that Judas, Antichrist and the False Prophet are not saved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Stanislav, Presbyterianism was founded on John Calvin's teachings. He wanted to maintain weekly communion (Eucharist). However, most Presbyterian and Evangelical Churches currently only practice communion quarterly (or about four times annually).
    We celebrate Eucharist weekly, although most adults partake a few times a year. So?

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    Presbyterianism recently split (yet again) into Presbyterian USA (liberal) and Presbyterian PCA (conservative). President Trump is a member of the Presbyterian USA (liberal).

    Several polls indicate that most Protestants do not believe in the Real Presence of Christ in Communion (Eucharist). Instead, they believe communion is only a symbol. Ironically, one poll of Catholics indicated that 33 percent do not believe in a Real Presence. As a result, it may lead to less respect for it.
    If I recall correctly, 80% of Russians identified as "Russian Orthodox Christians" in a poll, and in a same poll 50% said they believe in God. You don't call the difference "Christians", do you? Good Protestant will respect even the "symbol" of Lord's sacrifice, wouldn't he? Trump speaks as a random guy with vague "interest" in things spiritual, a place most of us in exUSSR were in late 80s - early 90ies. Nothing wrong with it, but I won't call this "being a Christian". Id did lead many people to Christianity though, so yeah. Maybe reading the Bible to appeal to Cruz voters will lead to Trump's conversion; I'd certainly hope it would. If he does not let his friend Vlad destroy the world before that.
    (exaggeration; Putin is a mobster and his cohort loves material comforts too much to physically destroy the world. He can cause a lot of damage though; Ukrainian servicemen die every day despite of the "ceasefire").

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    The Lord is merciful. One does not need to be a theologian to enter the kingdom of heaven. The thief on the cross and the original disciples are proof of that. Heaven begins in the heart and not the head.
    Amen to that. Being a greedy "habitual fabulist" doesn't help though. Nevertheless (she persisted), the thief did make it - by showing humility and repentance - so there's hope for everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Stanislav, in Matthew 21:28-32, one son gave lip service while the other son actually performed his father's will. Which son will receive his father's praise?

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    Are you using the Bible on me to teach justification by the works?
    God's sheep will be judged by their earthly works -- and their heavenly rewards are commensurately awarded. Check out Rev. 22:12. That's why Christians are also advised to store-up treasures for ourselves treasures in heaven (in our heavenly bank account), based on Matthew 6:19-21. Every good act that we perform here in this mortal life is banked in heaven and is not lost! The greatest heavenly rewards are those that were done in secret here on earth (Matt. 6:1-4).
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Stanislav, who is teaching or implying that Adolf Hitler was a true Christian? Please provide their name.
    Phony "German Christianity" certainly tried. Some neo-Nazi sects still try. There was a phony "true Orthodox" Russian "bishop" (iirc, "Amvrosiy (Sivers)", name and ordination fake) who even called him "St. Adolph". Strikingly, he compared Hitler to King Cyrus, just like certain Evangelicals do Trump. Of course, "Amvrosy von Sivers" is a neo-Nazi, while not all who believe in Trump/Cyrus "prophecy" are. A lot of crazies out there. Since Hitler committed suicide it's quite unlikely he managed to be saved, but who really knows? What he clearly wasn't is Christian.
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