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    Trump asking for Pardons

    Trump lawyers asking about presidential pardon powers: report | TheHill

    Wow! I should have said "asking about pardons".
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    I'm guessing that this is where all those expensive lawyers earn their money because I think that most people would assume that offering a pardon indicates "I think you're guilty and will lose in court and so I'm going to pardon you in order to save you." and that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt such as "I need this pardon because otherwise I'm going to jail." I'm not sure if that's technically true but I think it would be a common perception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    I'm guessing that this is where all those expensive lawyers earn their money because I think that most people would assume that offering a pardon indicates "I think you're guilty and will lose in court and so I'm going to pardon you in order to save you." and that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt such as "I need this pardon because otherwise I'm going to jail." I'm not sure if that's technically true but I think it would be a common perception.
    From what I understand, accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. I could be wrong.

    Also, I looks like Mueller could get access to Trump's tax returns. I guess Trump is shitting bricks right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by decimon View Post
    Every President pardons people as they go out the door. This is unremarkable and irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    Every President pardons people as they go out the door. This is unremarkable and irrelevant.

    Then even the FALN boy was unremarkable and irrelevant and you won't remark on any Trump pardons.

    I linked to the clemency pardons so now the commutations: https://www.justice.gov/pardon/obama-commutations

    Out the door? Either link will show otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by decimon View Post
    Then even the FALN boy was unremarkable and irrelevant and you won't remark on any Trump pardons.

    I linked to the clemency pardons so now the commutations: https://www.justice.gov/pardon/obama-commutations

    Out the door? Either link will show otherwise.
    How many of these are Obama's top campaign aides and/or relatives? Exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    How many of these are Obama's top campaign aides and/or relatives? Exactly.
    For that I think you have to go back to Scooter Libby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by decimon View Post
    Then even the FALN boy was unremarkable and irrelevant and you won't remark on any Trump pardons.

    I linked to the clemency pardons so now the commutations: https://www.justice.gov/pardon/obama-commutations

    Out the door? Either link will show otherwise.
    OK, so here's a big list

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

    so what?

    Maybe you can explain how these lists that you've posted are relevant or significant.
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    This thread reminds me of the old Watergate-era thing, only with new names:

    "Who pardoned Richard Nixon?"
    "Gerald Ford."
    "OK, who pardoned Ford for pardoning Nixon?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    How many of these are Obama's top campaign aides and/or relatives? Exactly.

    How many should be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    OK, so here's a big list

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

    so what?

    Maybe you can explain how these lists that you've posted are relevant or significant.

    Only what you say is relevant is relevant, Kizmet.

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    It's the kind of thinly veiled insulting answer that someone gives when they don't have a real answer. We get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    It's the kind of thinly veiled insulting answer that someone gives when they don't have a real answer. We get it.

    So, being relevant and significant, how many people has Trump pardoned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    How many of these are Obama's top campaign aides and/or relatives? Exactly.
    Yes. What makes this unique to Trump is he is asking about pardons for himself and his family, aides, etc.

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