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    The Supreme Court

    It's probably inevitable that we'd wind up with a SCOTUS thread so to start it off,

    SCOTUS partially bans the ban on the ban

    Supreme Court allows parts of travel ban to take effect - CNNPolitics.com
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    So, the travel ban is in place until they hear the full case in October.

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    you're partially correct
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    This targeted ban would have lapsed if the first version had been implemented and be lapsing if the second.

    Has too much been made of this?

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    The ban on people entering the U.S. from six mostly Muslim countries can be applied for now to everyone except people who have a “credible claim of a bona fide relationship with a person or entity in the United States,” the justices said Monday in an unsigned opinion.

    That includes people visiting a close family member, students who have been admitted to a university or workers who have accepted an employment offer, the court said. But the court said people can’t avoid the ban by entering into a relationship solely for the purpose of traveling to the U.S.

    Victory for Donald Trump as Supreme Court mostly reinstates travel ban | National Post
    In other words, it allows the ban to be applied to... who exactly, tourists? Something tells me visitor visas for anyone with no ties to US were not exactly easy to obtain in countries in question. Which makes this court order kind of pointless - but then again, so was the ban. But hey - Trump gets to protect America from people who never had any chance to come here in the first place. Yay!

    Oh yeah: the refugee ban is also back in, on a "limited basis". Great (again). Protecting the mainland from women and children from war-torn regions. Terrific.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    But hey - Trump gets to protect America from people who never had any chance to come here in the first place. Yay!
    If so then there's no issue.

    Oh yeah: the refugee ban is also back in, on a "limited basis". Great (again). Protecting the mainland from women and children from war-torn regions. Terrific.
    How many of the being-slaughtered Christians were let in over the past several years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Protecting the mainland from women and children from war-torn regions. Terrific.

    And how many countries did these "women and children" pass by on their way here? Exactly. We're full, don't need anymore and don't want anymore. No more of this invade the world invite the world crap. Take care of the people here first, and most importantly.


    I'm sure one of the other 200 or so countries would love to pat themselves on the back and welcome in these people from war-torn countries. We need to be done with it. That time is over.

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    How many of the being-slaughtered Christians were let in over the past several years?
    Here in Canada, the Armenian Church was very quick to sponsor many Armenian Christians fleeing Syria. Our government wasn't slow in getting many (mostly) non-Christians here, either. One of the few things this government has done lately that I applaud. I've met a few of the newly-arrived Muslim Syrians here - I think they'll make very good Canadians. Even though they won't be having any back bacon or beer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 03310151 View Post
    And how many countries did these "women and children" pass by on their way here? Exactly.
    You're mixing up "refugee" and "asylee", again.

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    We're full, don't need anymore and don't want anymore. No more of this invade the world invite the world crap. Take care of the people here first, and most importantly.
    That would make for a nice replacement plaque on the Statue of Liberty .


    Quote Originally Posted by 03310151 View Post
    I'm sure one of the other 200 or so countries would love to pat themselves on the back and welcome in these people from war-torn countries. We need to be done with it. That time is over.
    As it happens, here in Canada, Liberals led by Justin "the Boy Wonder" Trudeau ran - and won - on promise to bring in more Syrian refugees. One of the things I like the most about otherwise rather meh party. And the fact they're not Conservatives of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    But hey - Trump gets to protect America from people who never had any chance to come here in the first place. Yay!
    "Here"? You're a Ukrainian living in Canada. Trump is President of the United States. This Supreme Court decision, whatever one thinks of it, has nothing to do with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heirophant View Post
    "Here"? You're a Ukrainian living in Canada. Trump is President of the United States. This Supreme Court decision, whatever one thinks of it, has nothing to do with you.

    Would you please stop using facts? I find it highly insulting and hurts my feelings. Opinions are way more important. /s

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    Quote Originally Posted by heirophant View Post
    You're a Ukrainian living in Canada.
    Timing is everything: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrain...ian_internment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    That would make for a nice replacement plaque on the Statue of Liberty.
    Nah. A better replacement for the Statue of Liberty plaque would be the lyrics to the song Dirty Boulevard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    You're mixing up "refugee" and "asylee", again.


    That would make for a nice replacement plaque on the Statue of Liberty .



    As it happens, here in Canada, Liberals led by Justin "the Boy Wonder" Trudeau ran - and won - on promise to bring in more Syrian refugees. One of the things I like the most about otherwise rather meh party. And the fact they're not Conservatives of course.

    I'm not confusing anything actually, I want all immigration to stop not just illegal and I want all refugee/asylee's to stop as well. Canada is a beautiful country, if you and yours want them take them all have at it!


    And we need remove that stupid plaque from the Statue of Liberty . It's a plaque of a poem, not the 0th Amendment.

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    I want all immigration to stop not just illegal
    Considering the shortage we are having with physicians and professionals in certain engineering disciplines I think this is a surefire way to cause even more companies to relocate out of the U.S. But I'm sure those tens of thousands of unemployed people will pull themselves up by their bootstraps and start machine shops and lumber operations like real men should. Before you know it, we'll have a Studebaker in every driveway if only we can keep those immigrants at bay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuhaus View Post
    Considering the shortage we are having with physicians and professionals in certain engineering disciplines I think this is a surefire way to cause even more companies to relocate out of the U.S. But I'm sure those tens of thousands of unemployed people will pull themselves up by their bootstraps and start machine shops and lumber operations like real men should. Before you know it, we'll have a Studebaker in every driveway if only we can keep those immigrants at bay.
    Thank you. Immigration restrictions and trade protectionism are big government conservatism at its worst.
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