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    Thumbs down Susan Rice ordered spy agencies to produce spreadsheets of who talked to Trump

    Author: Richard Pollock

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    Susan Rice, the national security adviser for Barack Obama, ordered U.S. spy agencies to produce spreadsheets of Trump's phone calls, according to former U.S. Attorney Joseph diGenova.

    “Intelligence agents intercepted phone calls that unmasked Trump's associates in legal conversations. Trump's conversations involved no illegal activity. The only illegal activity was unmasking the names of people in the phone calls,” diGenova said.

    Former Obama Deputy Defense Secretary Evelyn Farkas admitted she urged colleagues to “get as much intelligence as you can, before President Obama leaves.”

    Michael Doran said that “somebody blew a hole in the wall between national security and partisan politics. This was a stream of information that was supposed to be sealed from politics, but the Obama administration blew a hole in that Constitutional wall.”

    Doran said, "it is a felony to leak signal intelligence. And you can get 10 years for that. It is a tremendous abuse of the system. We’re not supposed to be monitoring American citizens. However, even bigger than the crime is the loss of public trust in how American intelligence is being used.”

    Colonel James Waurishuk (Ret.) said, “this is using national intelligence to spy on the elected, yet-to-be-seated president. We’re looking at a constitutional crisis. Intelligence capabilities were used to spy for political purposes. That sets a dangerous precedent.”


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    CNN Tonight - "fake scandal ginned up by right-wing media and Trump"

    Delicious. I would not be surprised if "Rice turns out to be a Russian plant"... Liberals eat their own, for the cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Pollock View Post
    Colonel James Waurishuk (Ret.) said, “this is using national intelligence to spy on the elected, yet-to-be-seated president. We’re looking at a constitutional crisis. Intelligence capabilities were used to spy for political purposes. That sets a dangerous precedent.”
    Using American intelligence to spy on partisan opponents is reminiscent of two-bit dictatorships where the self-appointed king thinks he "owns the State." The un-Constitutional use of intelligence in partisan politics must be stopped. On the contrary, the U.S. Constitution is:
    - of the people
    - by the people
    - for the people

    The Constitution was specifically designed to abrogate dictators, despots and kings. Let's keep it that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Using American intelligence to spy on partisan opponents is reminiscent of two-bit dictatorships where the self-appointed king thinks he "owns the State." The un-Constitutional use of intelligence in partisan politics must be stopped. On the contrary, the U.S. Constitution is:
    - of the people
    - by the people
    - for the people

    The Constitution was specifically designed to abrogate dictators, despots and kings. Let's keep it that way.
    A "dictator" that just peacefully transitioned power to your false leader? That guy? Worst. "coup". ever.

    Comey reportedly tried to expose Russia tampering before election

    It looks like the Obama administration went to somewhat great lengths NOT to use intelligence and law enforcement in partisan politics. It's actually a speciality of Republicans in Congress since Clinton times. So trying to pin this on Obama is seriously disingenuous - and hypocritical. Remember many warnings the Lord gave to hypocrites?
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    Scott Uehlinger - Cannot have it both ways between "no surveillance was conducted" and know everything there is to know about Trump and Russia connections.
    "it’s clear they had another intent, and I believe the intent was to allow for further leakage to give more people access, thus more leaks, which, in fact, would hurt the Trump administration. It seems very obvious when you put that together and combine it with the actions of Susan Rice and other people in unmasking people. That is the true purpose behind this."

    Bloomberg’s Eli Lake might want to be careful crossing the street. There might be a crazy "Russian" truck driver accidentally run over Mr. Lake, repeatedly.

    Muhhahahaha! Delicious! Delicious like a well made pie!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhp View Post
    Scott Uehlinger - Cannot have it both ways between "no surveillance was conducted" and know everything there is to know about Trump and Russia connections.
    "We weren't monitoring your phone calls, we were merely recording the phone calls of the people you talk to" is the sort of tortured truth that only a politician could love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    "We weren't monitoring your phone calls. We were merely recording the phone calls of the people you talk to."

    That is the sort of tortured truth that only a politician could love.
    SteveFoerster, your humorous quote is painfully true.

    When Trump first tweeted that his phones were wiretapped (that's the old fashioned term for surveillance), it was only a matter of time before the truth would eventually come out. And now, the truth is finally coming out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    "We weren't monitoring your phone calls, we were merely recording the phone calls of the people you talk to" is the sort of tortured truth that only a politician could love.
    Well, you better hope that the activities of certain foreign actors are monitored. Especially if they're connected to governments that derive all of their political capital from posturing as US adversaries. If Trump wanted to deal with these people, including what appears to be taking thinly-disguised bribes, maybe it was not such a good idea to get elected President. On the other hand, maybe it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    SteveFoerster, your humorous quote is painfully true.

    When Trump first tweeted that his phones were wiretapped (that's the old fashioned term for surveillance), it was only a matter of time before the truth would eventually come out. And now, the truth is finally coming out.
    I wonder if any sane person thinks unfettered monitoring is a good idea, even of politicians. That is the kind of things КГБ did...

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    Thumbs up Zrobyty ameryky znovu zdorovo!

    Quote Originally Posted by jhp View Post
    I wonder if any sane person thinks unfettered monitoring is a good idea, even of politicians. That is the kind of things КГБ did...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhp View Post

    Bloomberg’s Eli Lake might want to be careful crossing the street.

    Fort Marcy Park is melting in the dark...

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    Quote Originally Posted by decimon View Post
    Fort Marcy Park is melting in the dark...
    Everyone knows that is just a conspiracy theory. Wikipedia said so. Just like the crazy idea that the Government is monitoring... oh... Well, it is just like that the Democratic party colluding with the Clinton campai.... dang it... Ok, well the conspiracy theory that a trusted moderator would give the debate questions to their favorite candidate... .... .... YOU BE QUIET AND SIT IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM OR WE WILL BEAT YOU; THIS THREAD IS RESERVED FOR VIOLENCE FREE, FREE SPEECH!

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    This is just another desperate attempt by Trump to show that his wires were tapped. In the end (and even now) it will be seen as a smokescreen for the investigation on the Trump-Russia investigation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    This is just another desperate attempt by Trump to show that his wires were tapped. In the end (and even now) it will be seen as a smokescreen for the investigation on the Trump-Russia investigation.
    Let the truth ring out loud and clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Let the truth ring out loud and clear.
    I agree. The various investigations will proceed and I am happy to go along with whatever they discover/conclude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Globe Article
    ... wouldn't be surprised ...
    ... some ...
    ... I wish I could ...
    ... My impression ...
    ... probably ...
    ... relatively ...
    ... so to speak ...
    ... relatively small ...
    ... so many ...
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    Castro wouldn’t elaborate on his prediction, nor would he provide any specifics about whom he was referring to.
    Yep. Let the fact based truths win.

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