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    In Major Defeat for Trump, Push to Repeal Health Law Fails

    First the travel ban, and now this:

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    Boy, these guys had seven and a half years to come up with a reasonable alternative, and they waited until the last minute to come up with piece of shite bill. The results show.

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    All of them lost. Congressional Republicans look incompetent for coming up with a bill so crappy that even their own caucus wouldn't support it, and Trump looks weak for not even being able to corral his own party.
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    So one piece of shite bill wins a stunning victory over another piece of shite bill, and everyone goes home happy. Except for those who are still priced out of buying their own health insurance but are forced by the federal government to pay for other people's insurance. Yay, politics!
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    Thumbs up Let Obamacare Fail!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Abner View Post
    In Major Defeat for Trump, Push to Repeal Health Law Fails
    It's actually a major victory and blessing because it gives an opportunity for Obamacare to fail financially because it is not sustainable. Let Obamacare implode. The cost of Obama care is rising between 30 and 50 percent (or more) in various states. Again, Obamacare is not financially sustainable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    It's actually a major victory and blessing because it gives an opportunity for Obamacare to fail financially because it is not sustainable. Let Obamacare implode. The cost of Obama care is rising between 30 and 50 percent (or more) in various states. Again, Obamacare is not financially sustainable.
    Yeah, lord forbid the El Anaranjado (the orange one) should act presidential and seek ways to improve ACHA. My brothers to the right voted to repeal the ACHA sixty times, but they never had a better plan in mind. Town hall meetings show that as flawed as ACHA is, the people (some Trump voters amongst them) wanted it to remain. The new Trump care version would have kicked off 20+ million low income (many Trump voters) off the rolls.

    Unfortunately, Trump is proving to be a payaso rather than a president. He is just to mean and petty to keep the people's interest in mind. Yeah, just let ACHA blow up, and screw the people that will be affected. His business deal making is not relevant in so far as the machinations of the government. This was proven yesterday. If he was smart, he would seek a bipartisan approach and make tweeks to the ACHA so it could thrive. Then he could take credit and leave a legacy. But, he won't do that. His ADD makes his long term thinking short sighted.
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    Thumbs up GOP needs to allow Obamacare to fail...

    Unfortunately, it is highly unlikely that the GOP has the gumption to allow Obamacare to fully fail. However, that's exactly what needs to happen, for the federal government to be fully divested of it. Obamacare is not financially sustainable -- unless the United States becomes socialistic, where wealth is taken by the federal government and then redistributed. Fortunately, that is not going to happen under the presidential leadership of Donald Trump during the next 7.9 years. Whew!
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    I’d just go single-payer (Medicare for all) and pay for it through taxing the heck out of the donor class. They tried to destroy him anyway. Hike the capital gains tax, get rid of the carried-interest exception, and raise taxes on income above whatever the 90th%ile for Trump voters is. He’d get so many fans among the working classes nobody would be able to touch him.

    Of course, Congress would never let him…

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    Quote Originally Posted by 03310151 View Post
    I’d just go single-payer (Medicare for all) and pay for it through taxing the heck out of the donor class. They tried to destroy him anyway. Hike the capital gains tax, get rid of the carried-interest exception, and raise taxes on income above whatever the 90th%ile for Trump voters is. He’d get so many fans among the working classes nobody would be able to touch him.

    Of course, Congress would never let him…
    I agree 100%

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    Quote Originally Posted by 03310151 View Post
    I’d just go single-payer (Medicare for all) and pay for it through taxing the heck out of the donor class. They tried to destroy him anyway. Hike the capital gains tax, get rid of the carried-interest exception, and raise taxes on income above whatever the 90th%ile for Trump voters is. He’d get so many fans among the working classes nobody would be able to touch him.

    Of course, Congress would never let him…
    He has talked about working in a bipartisan manner on the healh care bill today, so I will give him credit for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Unfortunately, it is highly unlikely that the GOP has the gumption to allow Obamacare to fully fail. However, that's exactly what needs to happen, for the federal government to be fully divested of it. Obamacare is not financially sustainable -- unless the United States becomes socialistic, where wealth is taken by the federal government and then redistributed. Fortunately, that is not going to happen under the presidential leadership of Donald Trump during the next 7.9 years. Whew!

    I mean its not like Obama stole from the tax payers to keep Obamacare aka ACA a float. I mean, he would never have lied and robbed the American people. The media would have been running that story nonstop.

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    So long, Paul Ryan!

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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    It's actually a major victory and blessing because it gives an opportunity for Obamacare to fail financially because it is not sustainable. Let Obamacare implode. The cost of Obama care is rising between 30 and 50 percent (or more) in various states. Again, Obamacare is not financially sustainable.
    I think that's the most desperate way I've ever heard to try to pretend a crushing defeat is some sort of victory. AHCA didn't fail because it's part of some grand secret plan to make things worse on purpose (which would essentially be treason anyway), it failed because Trump and his administration is totally clueless, like the proverbial dog who caught the car and has no earthly idea what to do with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    I think that's the most desperate way I've ever heard to try to pretend a crushing defeat is some sort of victory.
    It's not desperation. It's relief. It is GOOD that the current healthcare proposal did not pass because it is still entirely too accommodating to Obamacare vestiges (and backwards socialistic policies). Obamacare in it's entirety must go. All of it. Kaput.
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    A Republican House, Senate and White House and they still couldn't get it done. Why?Because the extreme right wing, just like me again, refuses to compromise even one little bit. And that's why they will continue to fail. Ryan is proving to be no more adept than Boehner at effecting compromise within his own party.
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    Thumbs down The devil is in the details.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    A Republican House, Senate and White House -- and they still couldn't get it done. Why? Because the extreme right wing, just like me again, refuses to compromise, even one little bit.
    It is not prudent to negotiate (or compromise) with the devil because he won't change.
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