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  • Russians hacked into American election-machines and illegally altered votes.

    0 0%
  • Russians hacked the DNC & exposed immorality or criminality, causing citizens to change their votes

    3 15.00%
  • Russians DID psychologically make citizens change their votes with cyberwarfare & media manipulation

    3 15.00%
  • Russians did NOT psychologically make citizens change their votes with cyberwarfare & manipulation

    14 70.00%
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    The First Amendment allows Americans to be analytical, critical, judgmental and publicly vocal of the double-standards and fake news from the mainstream media.
    Yeah, the Constitution allows Americans to sound unintelligent if that's what they choose. I repeat: Trump is a product of the "media"; they made him formidable. It is silly at the extreme to complain about the media bias if you're Trump supporter. If you're Trump, on the other hand, it's not silly - it is dishonest at the extreme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Stanislav, are you suggesting that candidates should be selected based upon the color of their skin or their gender?
    I am not suggesting that. I'm telling that it is important that my girls live in a world where a girl can be POTUS. So far, the country ain't even ready for female Ghostbusters (almost not a joke).
    Of the 45 U. S. presidents, 44 or roughly 98% have been white men. I'm really interested in your working theory on why is it so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Stanislav, please note that black groups and Indian groups and Mexican groups and many other groups also voted for Trump - and there is nothing wrong with them for doing so. Also, "b4cz28" is black and he does not fit your stereotypical profile because he is a Trump supporter.
    Men preferred Trump 51% to 42%
    Women preferred Clinton 54-41
    Whites preferred Trump 57-37 (!!!)
    Blacks preferred Clinton 89-8 (that's right)
    Latinos preferred Clinton 66-28.
    I have no idea why you're so adamant to ignore this.
    I am aware there are black Trump voters. It's a cliche, but I do have a friend like this. I believe they, just like white Trump voters, are catastrophically wrong. And yeah, I know the Constitution protects your right to be wrong, just as it protects people's right to call you on it.

    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    According to the egregious democrat analogy that was trumped up by the democrats: your racial profiling and your racial judgementalism makes you a racist (the democrats words). Are you a racist?
    No. Nice strawman, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    I am not suggesting that. I'm telling that it is important that my girls live in a world where a girl can be POTUS. So far, the country ain't even ready for female Ghostbusters (almost not a joke).
    Of the 45 U. S. presidents, 44 or roughly 98% have been white men. I'm really interested in your working theory on why is it so.
    To be fair, the age requirement is probably never going to be lowered so not too many "girls" are going to make it into the White House.

    Jokes aside, Clinton was a few blunders away from becoming POTUS. Because no woman has won the office yet, is it too difficult to sell that a woman can (and one almost did) become POTUS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomE View Post
    Jokes aside, Clinton was a few blunders away from becoming POTUS. Because no woman has won the office yet, is it too difficult to sell that a woman can (and one almost did) become POTUS?
    Right now I can sell them on Santa Claus, but how long do you think I can continue lying to them, and to what end?
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    Scripted Fake News

    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Right now I can sell them on Santa Claus, but how long do you think I can continue lying to them, and to what end?
    Here is more "scripted fake news" from the mainstream media:

    Title: FBI Investigating Unconfirmed Claims That Trump Was Personally Compromised by Russians

    Authors: Brian Ross and Matthew Mosk

    Snip: Unsubstantiated allegations that Donald Trump was in league with Russian hackers appeared in a dossier given to the FBI by democratic operatives, who also circulated the documents to the media. The documents claim Trump was personally compromised by the Russians during a trip to Moscow and Trump's aides were involved with Russian hacking of the DNC. The dossier outlines ties between Trumpís team and Russian agents.

    The dossier was presented during classified intelligence briefings to President Obama and President-elect Trump.

    The dossier provides no evidence.

    Trump wrote on Twitter: ďFAKE NEWS - A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!Ē

    Kellyanne Conway said the fake news is "just to smear the president-elect of the United States, and now we now have intelligence officials divulging that information. This is fake."

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said "itís a spoof story, itís absolute fabrication and complete nonsense.Ē


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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Here is more "scripted fake news" from the mainstream media:

    Title: FBI Investigating Unconfirmed Claims That Trump Was Personally Compromised by Russians
    Thanks for bringing attention to it. Apparently, someone at the Kremlin privately told a retired British spy that Trump had rented a hotel room where the Obamas previously spent and hired prostitutes (plural) to engage in "golden shower" acts on the bed. And the KGB has a tape of it to blackmail Trump with. Fascinating.
    Media reports the truth: that the report exists and is taken seriously enough by U.S. spies to investigate, and to brief Trump and Obama on it. The report itself, as circulated by Buzzfeed, appears to be a collection of third- and fourth-person accounts by Kremlin insiders. So, and to take one episode, all it says is that some guy, likely over vodka in some overpriced Moscow bar, told a commercial intelligence agent that KGB has a tape with Trump and prostitutes; it may or may not mean the tape actually exists. It can simply be a drunken boast. There are many information tidbits in the 35-page document, and some of them are likely erroneous - we have no clue which ones.

    Still, it is fun to find out how the guy is seen inside the Kremlin (essentially as a spying mark). I believe (and maintain that my belief is reasonable, though not any kind of definite proof) that the Cheka did cultivate Trump for a long time, and it appears that they were successful enough to justify the hack-and-release effort to help him get elected.

    I found it interesting that apparently "the media" had this document before the election and chose not to publish it, vary of affecting the outcome with unproven allegations. No such reservations apparent from known Kremlin lackeys Wikileaks and from presumably American patriot Comey - and from the "mainstream media" to distribute these. You keep undermining your own case, me again.

    Also, thanks for including the bit about Dmitry Peskov denying the claims. As the saying goes, if Peskov denies a claim, that claim must be true. He even drove this point home by deadpanning that "Kremlin does not engage in collection of kompromat" - a remarkably good joke. Yeah, Dima, sure: the collection of competing groups of former KGB spies and informants does not do no kompromat! Hilarious.

    Peskov is prominent enough for his mustache to have a Twitter account, and was grilled in the media for ostentatious displays of wealth. E. g. his recent wedding (to a TV star and former Olympic figure skater Tatiana Navka) was a big tabloid event, as was a $600,000 Swiss watch this lifetime public servant was photographed wearing on a said wedding. Navka herself (allegedly a naturalized US citizen - unlike Melania Trump, her Olympic medal would clearly qualify her for EB1 or at least EB2 Green Card) was recently in the news - she and partner portrayed a Treblinka Nazi death camp inmates in a figure skating show (sort of Russian Dancing with the Stars clone, on ice). Interestingly, he personally figures as instrumental in the Trump affair in that 35-page document.
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    Thumbs down Blitzkrieg of "scripted fake news" from the mainstream media

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Someone at the Kremlin said Trump rented a hotel room and hired prostitutes (plural) to engage in "golden shower" acts on the bed. And the KGB has a tape of it to blackmail Trump. Media reports the truth...
    Here's today's (Jan. 11) blitzkrieg of "scripted fake news" from the mainstream media:

    Reuters:
    Russian hackers claim to have compromising information on Trump: CNN

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-h...224612200.html

    New York Times:
    This new poll has all kinds of bad news for Donald Trump

    link deleted by New York Times

    The Washington Post:
    Trumpís popularity problem will get even worse

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/ampht...-donald-trump/

    Tech Crunch:
    Leaked memos allege Trumpís lawyer helped orchestrate Russian hacking

    https://techcrunch.com/2017/01/10/le...n-hacking/amp/


    The blitzkrieg of scripted fake news has become laughable and shows ineffective desperation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Here's today's (Jan. 11) blitzkrieg of "scripted fake news" from the mainstream media:
    All I see is a few negative headlines about your guy. Do you have anything to refute these or show that the stories are in bad faith? Media takes interest in Trump on account of him being, you know, President-Elect. As I said many, many times, the media was, in effect, a friend of Trump's during this campaign by covering his every move ad nausem and presenting the two leading candidates, astonishingly, as "equally flawed". Similarly, the media, more than anyone else, gave us GWB by deciding it'd be fun to swiftboat the boring, eminently qualified frontrunner Al Gore on "inventing the Internet" thing, and simultaneously going soft on the "likable" Bush. So to sum up, the alleged "liberal media bias" is a myth.

    What the media is biased toward is a story that'd drive up the ratings. Unfortunately for Trump, that's "new President in trouble already" narrative at the moment, just like the classic "Clinton scandals" series and "Trump peep of the day" comedy show were in demand before. Enjoy the ride.
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    I think the First Amendment does protect the media, just as it protects the individuals. It should and cannot be more protected. It has become holier-than-thou.

    Irrelevant of what side, they must account for their garbage.

    I do not know the answer how to measure something as "fake", and what punishment to met out....

    I do love "creative compensation".

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    Scripted Fake News

    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Here is more "scripted fake news" from the mainstream media:

    Title: FBI Investigating Unconfirmed Claims That Trump Was Personally Compromised by Russians

    Authors: Brian Ross and Matthew Mosk

    Snip: Unsubstantiated allegations that Donald Trump was in league with Russian hackers appeared in a dossier given to the FBI by democratic operatives, who also circulated the documents to the media. The documents claim Trump was personally compromised by the Russians during a trip to Moscow and Trump's aides were involved with Russian hacking of the DNC. The dossier outlines ties between Trumpís team and Russian agents.

    The dossier was presented during classified intelligence briefings to President Obama and President-elect Trump.

    The dossier provides no evidence.

    Trump wrote on Twitter: ďFAKE NEWS - A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!Ē

    Kellyanne Conway said the fake news is "just to smear the president-elect of the United States, and now we now have intelligence officials divulging that information. This is fake."

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said "itís a spoof story, itís absolute fabrication and complete nonsense.Ē


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Do you have anything to refute these or show that the stories are in bad faith?
    Stanislav, the fake news that is being distributed by the mainstream media is not backed up with evidence. Nadda. Zip. None. There is nothing to refute. It's fake news.
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    Scripted fake news

    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Do you have anything to refute these or show that the stories are in bad faith?
    Title: Russian tech expert named in Trump report says US intelligence never contacted him

    Author: Kevin G. Hall and Tim Johnson McClatchy

    Snip: A Russian tech expert whose name was used in the document accusing connections between Donald Trump and Russian hackers says no intelligence officers have ever contacted him. He says the accusations in the American intelligence report are false. The report was compiled by Western intelligence. The document included unsubstantiated claims of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. It also alleged that...

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    Fox defends CNN

    Hmm

    https://www.yahoo.com/tv/fox-news-de...213951823.html

    “Though we at Fox News cannot confirm CNN’s report, it is our observation that its correspondents followed journalistic standards,” Smith said. “Neither they, nor any other journalists, should be subjected to belittling and delegitimizing by the president-elect of the United States.”

    “Though we at Fox News cannot confirm CNN’s report, it is our observation that its correspondents followed journalistic standards,” Smith said. “Neither they, nor any other journalists, should be subjected to belittling and delegitimizing by the president-elect of the United States.”

    The story was printed in "good faith". Trump can't keep saying stuff like:

    “Your organization is terrible, don’t be rude,” the president-elect said. “No, I’m not going to give you a question. You are fake news.”

    From CNN

    "Given that members of the Trump transition team have so vocally criticized our reporting, we encourage them to identify, specifically, what they believe to be inaccurate.”

    The fact is we now have a President that will probably be involved in one scandal or another. He will also be dealing with multiple lawsuits while in office. Some are saying that he has not properly divested (ethics issues) himself from his business dealings. In essence, we will have a part time President.

    With someone like Trump, you have to wonder when something will pop up, like that video in which he stated that he grabs women by their pussies. Who knows? Maybe a hacker will get a hold of his tax returns and we can figure out why Trump is so in love with Russia. It is strange that he was/is against sanctioning Russia for interfering with the election. Very strange indeed.
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    Scripted Fake News

    Title: The Deep State Goes to War with President-Elect, Using Unverified Claims, as Democrats Cheer

    Author: Glenn Greenwald

    Snip: A faction is engaged in open warfare against the duly elected president-elect, Donald Trump. They are using classic Cold War dirty tactics and ďFake News.Ē

    Their most valuable instrument is the U.S. media, which reflexively reveres, serves, believes and sides with hidden intelligence officials. And Democrats, still reeling from their unexpected and traumatic election loss, as well as a systemic collapse of their party, are willing ó eager ó to embrace any claim, any tactic, align with any villain, regardless of how unsupported, tawdry and damaging those behaviors might be.

    But cheering for the CIA and its shadowy allies to unilaterally subvert the U.S. election and impose its own policy on the elected president is warped and self-destructive. Empowering the very entities that have produced the most shameful atrocities and systemic deceit over the last six decades is desperation of the worst kind. Demanding that evidence-free, anonymous assertions be instantly venerated as Truth ó despite emanating from the very precincts designed to propagandize and lie ó is an assault on journalism , democracy, and basic human rationality. And casually branding domestic adversaries who refuse to go along as traitors and disloyal foreign operatives, is morally bankrupt and is certain to backfire on those doing it.

    There is no bigger favor that Trump opponents can do for him than attacking him with shabby obvious shams, and recruiting large media outlets to lead the way. But then when it comes time to...

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    Scripted fake news from intelligence community?

    Title: Trump's sting ensnares intelligence leaks

    Author: Geoff Earle

    Snip: After growing suspicious that intelligence officials were leaking news about their classified briefings with Donald Trump, he conducted a sting operation to prove that spies were behind the leaks.

    Trump suggested the intelligence community had been behind unproven allegations against him.

    Trump said, "I think itís pretty sad when intelligence reports get leaked out to the press. First of all, itís illegal. These are classified and certified meetings and reports. Iíll tell you what does happen. I have many meetings with intelligence. And every time I meet, people are reading about it. Somebodyís leaking them out. So I said, 'Maybe itís my office. Maybe my office. Because Iíve got a lot of people Ö Maybe itís them?' What I did, is, I said I wonít tell anyone. Iím going to have a meeting, and I wonít tell anybody about my meeting with intelligence."

    He even shielded one of his closest aides from word of the meeting. "Nobody knew Ė not even my executive assistant. She didnít know Ė I didnít tell her. Nobody knew"

    Having set the trap, the word leaked anyway

    "The meeting was held. They left, and immediately the word got out that I had a meeting. So, I donít want that. Itís very unfair to the country. Itís very unfair to our country whatís happening," Trump said.

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