View Poll Results: Did Russians successfully manipulate or change American votes?

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  • Russians hacked into American election-machines and illegally altered votes.

    0 0%
  • Russians hacked the DNC & exposed immorality or criminality, causing citizens to change their votes

    3 15.00%
  • Russians DID psychologically make citizens change their votes with cyberwarfare & media manipulation

    3 15.00%
  • Russians did NOT psychologically make citizens change their votes with cyberwarfare & manipulation

    14 70.00%
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  1. #17
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    I often write a response with facts, references, dates, names and such.

    I roll my chair back, and sadly realize that it is irrelevant. A decade ago, I could be convinced, or convince someone with logic and facts. Today, the only thing I would get is jeers and deprecation.

    So I just delete it and move onto an other thread.

    Plus, this retarded system logs me out before I can hit post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhp View Post
    I often write a response with facts, references, dates, names and such.

    I roll my chair back, and sadly realize that it is irrelevant. A decade ago, I could be convinced, or convince someone with logic and facts. Today, the only thing I would get is jeers and deprecation.
    Facts, references, names and dates are counterproductive to ideological plans and goals.

    In the old days, people respected the mainstream media because it "reported" the news, instead of "creating" the news to achieve ideological goals. The same can be said of political nominees who are running American intelligence.

    For example, during the Bush era, invading Iraq was an ideological goal, so the American intelligence leadership (the political nominees running intel) announced to the mainstream media that Iraq had WMD: that politically justified an invasion of the country. However, after the invasion, absolutely no evidence of WMD were discovered (nadda, zip, nothing, zero evidence). Even American intel is littered with appointed political operatives who are pushing unhealthy ideologies that are detrimental to the long-term National Security of the United States. Donald Trump is a smart man.

    Facts are counterproductive to ideological plans and goals. Thank goodness for the First Amendment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhp View Post
    Plus, this retarded system logs me out before I can hit post.
    When you log in, check the box for "keep me logged in".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    It turns out Russians DID engage in cyberwarfare to influence American voters. I wonder if the President-Elact Donald "No puppet, no puppet" Trump is prepared to do about it. So far, his tweets heavily suggest he is not. Sad!
    Did you get that form CNN? You know the people that were giving debate questions to Hillary lol. The sheer number of false stories or straight up lies they told during the election has wrecked them.

    The government never even looked at the DNC server. They claimed 17 agency's signed off on the report but they did not. As if the Russians hacking the emails changed the content of anything. So I am glad they did, it if they did (they didn't) because it showed how racist the DNC was/is and how creepy and sneaky Pedo-esta and HRC are.

    The Chinese have done far worse.

    If you respond to me please answer how you feel about Obama messing with the Israeli election.

    Also what was up with the odd hours of HRC emails they other day?
    http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2017/...-email-records
    It turns out she did far worse than she claimed. FBI also lied to us it seems. Still trust those reports? Also the man has not even been president for a day and you hate him? I am shocked at the level of ignorance (not calling you ignorant) that exists about him. What don't you like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by b4cz28 View Post
    Also the man has not even been president for a day and you hate him? I am shocked at the level of ignorance (not calling you ignorant) that exists about him. What don't you like?
    Is this a serious question? Just because he hasn't been inaugurated yet doesn't mean no one knows anything about him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    Is this a serious question? Just because he hasn't been inaugurated yet doesn't mean no one knows anything about him.
    Exactly. We're talking fairly famous person here.

    Few comments:
    1. We know that the Russians messed with elections not from "CNN", but from U. S. Intelligence Community. Even Trump doesn't dispute that. I understand most people do not pay attention to this, but Russians are trying to weaken Western democracy for some years now.
    2. Trump supporters must cease badmouthing `mainstream media`; it was the media who made Trump viable candidate to begin with.
    3. I love when supporters defend Trump by suggesting he`s essentially a clean slate. First, this suggests that every word out of his mouth has been a lie. I`m glad we`re in agreement that the guy is a lying psychopath; I think you guys exaggerate a bit on EVERYTHING he said being a lie. See, I`m defending Trump from YOU now. Second, and I can`t believe it needs to be pointed out: being a clean slate is NOT GOOD ENOUGH in a President-Elect; otherwise you could just take a random guy from the phone book.
    4. Chinese did a lot of hacking, but please give an example of when they did so to support one candidate vs. another. The hack itself is not by any stretch unprecedented; the overall spetzoperatziia is.
    5. Think about it: why would the Russians prefer Trump? Try to remember that they are NOT friends of "the West".

    My three biggest pragmatic objections to Trump is his enormous potential for self-dealing, his anti-immigrant hate mongering, and troubling connections to the Kremlin. Any one issue would be enough to disqualify a person; every single candidate out there was better in at least one respect.

    Also, the guy is morally repugnant. I do not know how anyone with a vagina OR an ounce of empathy could support the guy after just `blood coming out of her wherever` quip, and there were countless other horrible things culminating in the `pussygate`. USA used to have a sort of minimum standard for Presidents
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    Adding to the above: groups that voted substantially for Trump are "men" and "white people". What is it that's wrong with us?
    Also, Democrats owe us a female President in 2020; preferably younger, a minority, and as smart as Hillary. The last point might be a challenge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Trump supporters must cease badmouthing `mainstream media.`
    The First Amendment allows Americans to be analytical, critical, judgmental and publicly vocal of the double-standards and fake news from the mainstream media. George Soros may be able to payoff the media, but Soros was unable to buy the integrity of the American people -- which is why Trump won the electoral vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    The guy [Trump] is a lying psychopath.
    Stanislav, what credentials qualify you to make a mental health diagnosis of someone that:
    - you've only seen on TV and
    - you've never met, questioned or interviewed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    My three biggest pragmatic objections to Trump is his enormous potential for self-dealing, his anti-immigrant hate mongering, and troubling connections to the Kremlin. Any one issue would be enough to disqualify a person.
    Stanislav, the American electorate disagrees with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Also, the guy [Trump] is morally repugnant. I do not know how anyone with a vagina OR an ounce of empathy could support the guy...
    Welcome to politics. Politics is the same all over the world because wherever there are people, there will also be politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Groups that voted substantially for Trump are "men" and "white people". What is it that's wrong with us?
    Stanislav, please note that black groups and Indian groups and Mexican groups and many other groups also voted for Trump - and there is nothing wrong with them for doing so. Also, "b4cz28" is black and he does not fit your stereotypical profile because he is a Trump supporter. According to the egregious democrat analogy that was trumped up by the democrats: your racial profiling and your racial judgementalism makes you a racist (the democrats words). Are you a racist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Democrats owe us a female President in 2020; preferably younger, a minority...
    Stanislav, are you suggesting that candidates should be selected based upon the color of their skin or their gender?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Also, Democrats owe us a female President in 2020; preferably younger, a minority, and as smart as Hillary. The last point might be a challenge.
    This reads like self-loathing parody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Welcome to politics. Politics is the same all over the world because wherever there are people, there will also be politics.
    This is a typical deepity that is factually wrong, as well as bad epistemic attitude. Snap out of it.
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